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No more ironic cheering for this chap...

Post by kernowhoop » Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:01 am

Richard Keogh injured long-term and now sacked:
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Post by UxbridgeR » Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:10 am

Brutal. The two players who drove while drunk, crashed their cars, and then ran off and left their mate unconscious in the wreckage, were fined by the club and were back playing again straight away. Of course, Keogh is out for the season and will be pushing 34 and out of contract at the end of it, so he's of no further use to Derby. His seven years as captain and 350+ appearances count for nothing either. Little wonder few players show any loyalty to clubs when a better offer comes along.
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Post by Esox Lucius » Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:53 am

He is being inducted into the Forever R's club during the 'boro game.
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Post by Satch » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:12 pm

UxbridgeR wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:10 am
Brutal. The two players who drove while drunk, crashed their cars, and then ran off and left their mate unconscious in the wreckage, were fined by the club and were back playing again straight away. Of course, Keogh is out for the season and will be pushing 34 and out of contract at the end of it, so he's of no further use to Derby. His seven years as captain and 350+ appearances count for nothing either. Little wonder few players show any loyalty to clubs when a better offer comes along.
I feel sorry for Keogh but i don't blame Derby either. He wasn't an unfortunate bystander. He, through completely his own stupidity, won't play for Derby before his contract is up, i don't see why he thinks they should be paying him 24k a week until then. It's cynical from Derby and not a moral stand for sure but i don't think he can have any complaints. It's not like dropping a jar of salad cream on your foot.

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Post by LP » Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:04 pm

Esox Lucius wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:53 am
He is being inducted into the Forever R's club during the 'boro game.
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Post by Andy_N19 » Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:11 pm

Satch wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:12 pm
UxbridgeR wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:10 am
Brutal. The two players who drove while drunk, crashed their cars, and then ran off and left their mate unconscious in the wreckage, were fined by the club and were back playing again straight away. Of course, Keogh is out for the season and will be pushing 34 and out of contract at the end of it, so he's of no further use to Derby. His seven years as captain and 350+ appearances count for nothing either. Little wonder few players show any loyalty to clubs when a better offer comes along.
I feel sorry for Keogh but i don't blame Derby either. He wasn't an unfortunate bystander. He, through completely his own stupidity, won't play for Derby before his contract is up, i don't see why he thinks they should be paying him 24k a week until then. It's cynical from Derby and not a moral stand for sure but i don't think he can have any complaints. It's not like dropping a jar of salad cream on your foot.
It's just the breathtaking stupidity of the 3 guys that's mind-boggling.
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Post by Satch » Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:54 am

I think it's probably indicative of just pure arrogance and the feeling of being untouchable and probably feeling invincible. Luckily Keogh's injury is the worst that came of it for any of the 3 or thankfully any other road users.

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Post by jimjams » Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:53 am

UxbridgeR wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:10 am
Brutal. The two players who drove while drunk, crashed their cars, and then ran off and left their mate unconscious in the wreckage, were fined by the club and were back playing again straight away. Of course, Keogh is out for the season and will be pushing 34 and out of contract at the end of it, so he's of no further use to Derby. His seven years as captain and 350+ appearances count for nothing either. Little wonder few players show any loyalty to clubs when a better offer comes along.
Agree. Can't see any other reason why they managed to conclude that being in a car with a drunk driver is somehow worse than actually driving while drunk.

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Post by ZENITH R » Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:06 am

jimjams wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:53 am
UxbridgeR wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:10 am
Brutal. The two players who drove while drunk, crashed their cars, and then ran off and left their mate unconscious in the wreckage, were fined by the club and were back playing again straight away. Of course, Keogh is out for the season and will be pushing 34 and out of contract at the end of it, so he's of no further use to Derby. His seven years as captain and 350+ appearances count for nothing either. Little wonder few players show any loyalty to clubs when a better offer comes along.
Agree. Can't see any other reason why they managed to conclude that being in a car with a drunk driver is somehow worse than actually driving while drunk.
I think they are going with the ... he was the captain and should have been setting a better example angle.

It does feel like he has been made the scapegoat though.

Richard Keough - who cares, had it been this time next year though and it had been Wayne Rooney in the car, I wonder if they would have been quite so quick to sack him (Rooney)?
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Post by Montag » Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:11 am

This is bad. Yes, he was drunk but he didn't commit any offence. It reminds me in a way of the Bentley case. Punishing the older bloke for the sins of the younger. Not that Keogh has been hanged, of course.
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Post by UxbridgeR » Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:33 am

Satch wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:12 pm
UxbridgeR wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:10 am
Brutal. The two players who drove while drunk, crashed their cars, and then ran off and left their mate unconscious in the wreckage, were fined by the club and were back playing again straight away. Of course, Keogh is out for the season and will be pushing 34 and out of contract at the end of it, so he's of no further use to Derby. His seven years as captain and 350+ appearances count for nothing either. Little wonder few players show any loyalty to clubs when a better offer comes along.
I feel sorry for Keogh but i don't blame Derby either. He wasn't an unfortunate bystander. He, through completely his own stupidity, won't play for Derby before his contract is up, i don't see why he thinks they should be paying him 24k a week until then. It's cynical from Derby and not a moral stand for sure but i don't think he can have any complaints. It's not like dropping a jar of salad cream on your foot.
I completely agree, but of the three, his behaviour seems clearly to have been the least reprehensible. You can argue that as captain and a more senior professional, he should have done more to influence their behaviour in a positive way, but ultimately they got behind the wheel and he didn't.

Also, if Derby believe he's guilty of gross misconduct, why did they offer to allow him to see out his contract if he took a pay cut ? It's either gross misconduct or it's not. I think this will come back to bite them.
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Post by Giorgio » Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:29 pm

ZENITH R wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:06 am
It does feel like he has been made the scapegoat though.
...pretty likely..
he was seated in the back...not even driving....
but still he is the one getting the worst punishment....contract terminated with immediate effect...it sounds tough...

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Post by White Duck » Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:50 am

UxbridgeR wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:33 am
Satch wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:12 pm
UxbridgeR wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:10 am
Brutal. The two players who drove while drunk, crashed their cars, and then ran off and left their mate unconscious in the wreckage, were fined by the club and were back playing again straight away. Of course, Keogh is out for the season and will be pushing 34 and out of contract at the end of it, so he's of no further use to Derby. His seven years as captain and 350+ appearances count for nothing either. Little wonder few players show any loyalty to clubs when a better offer comes along.
I feel sorry for Keogh but i don't blame Derby either. He wasn't an unfortunate bystander. He, through completely his own stupidity, won't play for Derby before his contract is up, i don't see why he thinks they should be paying him 24k a week until then. It's cynical from Derby and not a moral stand for sure but i don't think he can have any complaints. It's not like dropping a jar of salad cream on your foot.
I completely agree, but of the three, his behaviour seems clearly to have been the least reprehensible. You can argue that as captain and a more senior professional, he should have done more to influence their behaviour in a positive way, but ultimately they got behind the wheel and he didn't.

Also, if Derby believe he's guilty of gross misconduct, why did they offer to allow him to see out his contract if he took a pay cut ? It's either gross misconduct or it's not. I think this will come back to bite them.
Absolutely: the other two's direct actions could have led to the deaths of other drivers or pedestrians. Absolutely disgusting that Derby's statement about sacking Keogh tries to take the moral high ground whilst they support their two 'valuable' assets.
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Post by UxbridgeR » Tue May 11, 2021 2:41 pm

Richard Keogh has won his case against Derby and been awarded £2.3M. What a complete shambles of a club they are

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... inst-derby

Richard Keogh has secured a payout of about £2.3m from Derby after winning his long-running compensation claim against them. The 34-year-old defender, who finished the season at Huddersfield, brought an action for breach of contract in the wake of his sacking by Derby in October 2019.

Keogh had sustained serious knee ligament injuries when he was in the car that his then teammate Tom Lawrence crashed into a lamppost after a night out in September of that year. He was dismissed by Derby for gross misconduct. His contract with them, worth a basic £24,000 a week plus bonuses, was due to run until June 2021.

Keogh went to the EFL’s Player Related Dispute Commission [PRDC], where he won a full payout only for Derby to contest the decision at the League Appeals’ Committee [LAC]. The process has been marked by delays, caused in part by the pandemic, but the LAC last week upheld the original verdict.

An EFL statement read: “The LAC has heard and dismissed an appeal under the regulations of the EFL by Derby against the decision of the PRDC in the case of Richard Keogh. The PDRC held that Mr Keogh had not committed gross misconduct, that he had not brought the club into serious disrepute and that he had been wrongly dismissed by the club.”

The car crash happened after a team-bonding day. Lawrence was over the drink-drive limit and so was Mason Bennett, now of Millwall, who had driven off ahead. When Bennett stopped his car at a give-way line, Lawrence went into the back of him before careering into the lamppost. They fled the scene, leaving Keogh unconscious.

Lawrence and Bennett admitted drink-driving and failing to stop at the scene of an accident when they appeared at Derby magistrates court. They avoided jail sentences but each was ordered to carry out 180 hours of unpaid community service and banned from driving for two years. Despite their criminal convictions, Derby chose not to sack them, although they did fine them. Both were unhurt in the incident.

Keogh, who would be out of action for 12 months, had been told by Derby that he could stay and see out his contract but they stunned him by saying that he had to accept a massive pay cut to do so. When he refused, Derby dismissed him with immediate effect. Keogh had to make an initial appeal against the decision to Derby, which was thrown out, before he entered into the EFL’s legal framework.

Keogh played at Derby for seven and a bit seasons, starting 316 of 330 Championship matches plus all 10 of the club’s play-off ties. He joined MK Dons in League One last August, making his debut in September, before moving to Huddersfield in January on a deal until the end of the season.

The Derby owner, Mel Morris, is trying to sell the club to No Limits Sports, which is fronted by the Spanish businessman Erik Alonso. Under the management of Wayne Rooney the team avoided relegation on the final day of the Championship season on Saturday when they drew 3-3 at home to Sheffield Wednesday and had another result – Rotherham’s 1-1 draw at Cardiff – go in their favour.

Derby, meanwhile, are to face sanctions from the EFL after the league won an appeal against a previously dismissed misconduct charge. It is not clear whether any punishment would be applied to this season or next, with the EFL saying there was “no definitive timescale” for proceedings.

An independent league arbitration panel concluded a disciplinary commission was wrong to dismiss the EFL’s expert accountancy evidence which stated Derby’s valuation of player registrations was contrary to standard accounting rules. The original disciplinary commission had concluded the club did not adequately disclose in its financial statements the nature and/or effect of its change in accounting policy and there has been no appeal against that decision. Derby and the EFL will have the opportunity to make submissions on the appropriate sanction arising out of those breaches.
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Post by Esox Lucius » Tue May 11, 2021 2:48 pm

Did you see who the money behind Erik Alonso is? If this passes the fit & proper test then it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the FL is screwed.
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