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Caroline
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| Has anyone else noticed that the papers quote Terry as having called Anton a "f***ing black c***" (that's how they type it) - ironic that the offensive word (ie the word which brought this to court) is that one word which isn't starred out! |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| Esox Lucius wrote: | | Ginger people and short people DO have recourse to the law for bullying. ALL bullying can and should be dealt with by the law. No-one should have to put up with others making their life a misery and it would help reduce suicides in young people. |
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offamushinshepherdsbush
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Terry is rewarded handsomely by an organisation which champions anti-racist campaigns. He is the captain of the England football team, which includes players of different racial backgrounds.
This isn't two kids in a playground.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| Wegerle wrote: | I just don't think name calling should blown up into a full scale court case.
A lot of ginger or short people are bullied and made fun of all their life but if Terry had called a ginger player ''you f*&&ing ginger c%&t'', there is no way this would have been made into a court case and nobody would be up in arms for all the ginger people who receive a lot of grief and discrimination from childhood up onwards.
It's wrong to judge and condemn people for their race, sex, looks, thoughts etc. but it's also wrong to make one sort of discrimination more important than others. Either you take everyone to court for any kind of discrimination or you take no one to court for these matters and settle it in an other way.
You can't say ''oh, now it's a football player and it's about blacks, so lets grill him''. That is what I would call discrimination. |
There are occasions when possibly the racism card is overplayed, and being white I don't know how it necessarily affects people but a mate of mine who I played football with certainly took exception to any black references. He used to take a lot of stick from opposition players and took it all OK until it got racist, and not quite as diplomatic as some he got sent off a couple of times for hitting opponents who called him a "black ****", so he obviously took major exception to it and this was quite a few years ago when things weren't mentioned as much.
I'm short (ish) and got plenty of stick for that (also going bald and get comments about that too) but it's not in the same league as racist comments. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:32 am Post subject: |
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In a hilarious misunderstanding, John Terry was asked to repeat evidence that he had been sent off four times in his career.
“Can you say, please, four times?” asked his QC, George Carter-Stephenson.
“Please, please, please, please,” Terry responded.
Guffaws of laughter broke out around the courtroom at the misunderstanding, which was a result of the judge asking Terry to speak up.
The footballer appeared confused by response from the courtroom.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/john-terry-trial-please-please-please-could-you-repeat-that-7936075.html#.T_6XBDf1_RQ.facebook
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Caroline
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| Esox Lucius wrote: | | Ginger people and short people DO have recourse to the law for bullying. ALL bullying can and should be dealt with by the law. No-one should have to put up with others making their life a misery and it would help reduce suicides in young people. |
But sadly it's deemed acceptable to chant that Frank Lampard is fat or Luis Suarez is a rat etc. Is being over-weight (is he really??) or having slightly-more-noticable teeth something which a person should be ashamed of? |
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Micky
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| Caroline wrote: | | Esox Lucius wrote: | | Ginger people and short people DO have recourse to the law for bullying. ALL bullying can and should be dealt with by the law. No-one should have to put up with others making their life a misery and it would help reduce suicides in young people. |
But sadly it's deemed acceptable to chant that Frank Lampard is fat or Luis Suarez is a rat etc. Is being over-weight (is he really??) or having slightly-more-noticable teeth something which a person should be ashamed of? |
I agree those chants are unkind. I can't however recall a point in history when fat people or people with bad teeth were subjected to slavery or genocide. In a nutshell therein lies the difference. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| Esox Lucius wrote: | | Ginger people and short people DO have recourse to the law for bullying. ALL bullying can and should be dealt with by the law. No-one should have to put up with others making their life a misery and it would help reduce suicides in young people. |
Absolutely spot on.
No one should ever have to suffer just because of the way he/she looks or thinks. It's just the whole randomness of this case that I find difficult to take.
We, as a society, somehow accept jokes, puns, jabs, bad mouthing and yes even so called ''funny'' racist remarks and actions when we're with mates in the stands or having a beer in the local. How many people have been dragged out of a bar, a school or picked up from the street and have been sued when saying exactly the same thing as Terry? Hardly anyone. Why, because most are ignorant to it. I even bet that most of us, yes me included, have made remarks or gestures in the past that now might make you cringe in shame. Now a footballer gets taunted during in a high octane match, makes a racist remark and we all think he should be hanged and quartered.
I wonder how most of us qualified the rioters in London last year. How many of you where swearing racist remarks at the tv set or at least pointing out that they were black when watching the scenes unfold on tv?
Please don't get me wrong, I don't think any of this makes the Terry remarks right and justifiable and once again any form of making someones life miserable just because you look a certain way is absolutely unacceptable, but I find that many are using double standards. One for themselves and one for the enemy (Terry) and that in my view makes this whole case way over the top and blown out of every proportion. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think the prosecution has done a very good job. Hopefully that's just down to how it's come across on twitter though.
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Micky
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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I think that the prosecution have kept it simple, pointed to their excellent video evidence and made a very clear case. The defence, on the other hand, have had Terry’s favourite cab driver in to say what a lovely man he is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FmHdVzHk6M
When the magistrate listens to all the evidence and then watches the clip I don’t see how they can conclude that Terry was defending his wounded honour. The footage is totally at odds with everything the defence have been arguing. |
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UxbridgeR
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Caroline wrote: | | Is being over-weight (is he really??) or having slightly-more-noticable teeth something which a person should be ashamed of? |
No and no . Although both together would make them fair game.
It's a minefield, isn't it ? Then again, what a man puts in his field is his own business, obviously. I'm not helping, am I ?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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Defence seem to be getting desperate now, admitting Terry may have misheard Anton saying Bridge not Black  or even heard black coming from the crowd i couldn't even hear the person next to me for most of the game!!! |
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Micky
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| The defence became desperate the moment the magistrate refused to dismiss the case. |
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Micky
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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This is my personal favourite.
ccdavies: Def: AF said he would have been "livid" if he heard #Terry abuse on pitch. Yet when he saw YouTube footage, he did "absolutely nothing"
Was Ferdinand supposed to track Terry down and beat him? |
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offamushinshepherdsbush
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Micky wrote: | | The defence became desperate the moment the magistrate refused to dismiss the case. |
I though the defence looked pretty desperate when Heidar slipped that penno past Cech.
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