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[W13hoop]

So we are all being told the threat still exists and could strike us all down at any moment anywhere in Europe but in particular UK FRANCE GERMANY.

No arrests made no evidence provided we just have to trust our sterling intelligence services on this one.

They tried to use a supposed recording of a man who is dead
( osama bin laden ) to get us quaking in our boots but it doesn't seem to be working , people simply do not believe the threat is anywhere near as serious as our politicians or security services want us to believe.

The US govt has issued a warning to all US citizens when in EUROPE!? These are not the actions of a sane government , Europe is a pretty big place could you be a little more specific?

And now in response the foreign office has issued a similar warning to Brits in France and Germany.

I guess it has been nearly a decade since 9/11 and the never ending war on terror that started that day is still going strong although public support for it is clearly declining.

For the security services to maintain the levels of financial support they receive they need to hype up the threat of the bogeyman who at the moment is the group the west created called the base or as we all know it Al Qaeda.

War and weapons are big business for our country and as long as that is the case we will permanently be involved in some kind of foreign military operations as we are now.

Im sure I am not the only one who finds these threat level announcements annoying unnecessary and massively exaggerated.

Stay scared everyone , do not leave the house especialy if you were planning a trip to europe! FFS

And the yanks announce this on ryder cup weekend!? haha gd timing.

[Lee Gib]

Not that I wish to be involved in another neurotic 60 pager, but do you have any actual evidence that OBL is dead?

By the way, nice of you to recognise this thread as being worthy of the IS forum before waiting for it to be moved here.
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[Son of Robin]

I've heard from Armando Ianucci that the UK terror threat level is now at its highest since the Gunpowder Plot.

In NineteenEightyFour, Orwell predicted a world in perpetual war where the enemy kept changing to suit the powers that be. Sounds familiar?

You might be right. You might be wrong.
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[W13hoop]

Benazir Bhutto stated clearly in an interview with David Frost before she was murdered that OBL had been murdered by Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh.

Frost does not flinch when she says it, he doesn't even ask her about what she has just stated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg

The BBC went one step further , they cut it out completely and were busted doing so , they claimed it was done because of time restraints but its up to you if you choose to believe that.

Surely it is the responsibility of a journalist or corporation that claims to be interested in news to question these claims made by a highly respected person , what did they do? they censored it completely.

This is not evidence of his death , but it leaves a lot of questions.
Bhutto was highly respected , it was not a slip of the tongue, she would have known the impact what she said was going to have and rather than there being a media storm there was a media blackout and less than 2 months after that interview she was dead.

There are many reports claiming he died in Tora Bora late 2001 due to Kidney problems , he was a CIA employee - his name was Tim Osman FFS.

I also find it strange that there are no recent video message from him , all we seem to get now are very sporadic tape messages which can be easily faked by any intelligence agency that wants to keep the bogeyman alive.

If he is alive we are expected to believe that we have not been able to find him even after nearly 10 years of looking for him! haha , I just cannot believe that.

Whether he was murdered or died due to illness I do not know but I do not believe he is alive.

[Don]

Who do I believe - our security services or a few nutty keyboard warriors? Deluded fool that I am, I trust the professionals. Actually, I'd prefer it is it was the Professionals, but I'll make do.
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[Lee Gib]

At least you're honest enough to admit that there is no evidence. You're right about one thing, there are a lot of unanswered questions, but so what. There are questions about everything. This is a bit like how religion started, we don't know the answers so we'll fill the gaps with nonsense. People like a bit of intrigue and mystery and will believe anything if they think it's answered a question (or given them one they want to hear) and it's fed to them it the right way. The internet is a conspiracy theorists haven.

Maybe he is dead, who knows. Personally I think being skeptical about what I'm told by governments is fine, but just because they do lie sometimes doesn't mean I have to believe the opposite of everything they say.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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[W13hoop]

Don Benazir Bhutto was many things but a nutty keyboard warrior? that's a bit harsh.

Lee there is no evidence confirming his death just like there is no evidence confirming he is alive.

I guess its just easier to believe what we are told isn't it ? I wish I could share your faith in our governments and security services I really do.

You mention conspiracy theorists , I would say that the story that he is alive and orchestrating terror from his cave is just as ludicrous and unbelievable as the theory that he is dead if not more so.

Its all opinions of course and its a good thing we are allowed to discuss these topics freely and the internet is a great tool for sharing information.

[Don]

[Lee Gib]

[Stan]

where does this cave business come from?

If he's alive, he's more than likely under the protection of a Pakistani tribe in some village which does not mean he hasn't got access to everything he needs.
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[Der Blauweissengel]

I'll tell you what I don't believe.

I don't believe that were are under any serious threat from any centrally organised terrorist operation. I think that all terrorists who've carried out any attacks anywhere in the world recently have done so as separate groups isolated from other terrorists.

I also don't believe the threat is as great as the government would have us believe. In fact I believe that the terrorists would want us to be scared of them. That's what terror means. I'm not going to be scared. If I end up dead, injured or bereaved as a result of terrorists then so be it. I'm not going to spend my life worrying about it in case it might happen.

I think we should carry on as if nothing's going on whatsoever. If we're not frightened then the terrorists aren't doing their jobs properly and will be forced to expose themselves further. If we're frightened then they only have to make a few nods and winks to achieve their goals.

And let's be clear. The people over in Aghanistan and Iraq whom our soldiers have been fighting have very little to do with the people who've committed acts of violence over here and in the USA. Most people convicted of terrorism seem to have citizenship in the countries where they acted, so attacking the Middle East isn't really cutting it off at the source.
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where to look for streams
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Don't buy the Sun.

[W13hoop]

Lee what is your evidence that he is alive?

If it is voice tapes that are supposedly from him then that doesn't stand up too well to me.

This is what I am saying , I genuinely do not know for 100% certainty when where or how he died - but I believe based on what I have read that he is dead.

[Lee Gib]

[AndyB]

Oh Lee - do keep up.

If he's alive right - then we'd KNOW he's alive cos it'd be a known thing and we'd all know about it and there would be evidence and that.
But we don't know so he must be dead and that is definite cos he's not alive and it's not a known thing.
As it's known he's dead cos we don't know he's alive, then he can't be alive - ipso facto - evidence he's f***** snuffed it mate.

Why can't you grasp this?

[Don]