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waterbuffalo
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90% are happy with Hughton?
I'll bet he won't survive Christmas.
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| qprgentina wrote: | | LeJuge wrote: | | Devonranger wrote: | | What aboutbLambert coming back in for players - any concerns there, other than the obvious with Grant Holt? Something tells me the Villa fans would not be so patient with Holt if he doesn't settle straight away. |
He is welcome to Grant Holt, the greedy Tory voting thick-as-pigs-sh*t twot.
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I heard that Grant will be convinced to sign once he has it confirmed there'll be an end named after him. |
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angloraider
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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I always felt once Mark Hughes had got our side sorted, which took some time, that we would, should we stay up, be better placed than both Norwich and Swansea, even with the same managers for the following season. Now we have stayed up and both Norwich and Swansea have uncertainty, manager wise, I feel, even more, that is the case.
It was great that all 3 promoted sides stayed, a 1st for many years, but of course you have to compare yourselves against them. I feel good about our comparison but we will see what the situation is for each of us as the season starts. Lots of water to go under the bridge before then!
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LeJuge
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| angloraider wrote: | I always felt once Mark Hughes had got our side sorted, which took some time, that we would, should we stay up, be better placed than both Norwich and Swansea, even with the same managers for the following season. Now we have stayed up and both Norwich and Swansea have uncertainty, manager wise, I feel, even more, that is the case.
It was great that all 3 promoted sides stayed, a 1st for many years, but of course you have to compare yourselves against them. I feel good about our comparison but we will see what the situation is for each of us as the season starts. Lots of water to go under the bridge before then! |
Football is a funny game.... who knows what will happen.
My personal opinion is that all three sides will end in the bottom half.... and usually the whole bottom half is a relegation possibility until March.
Not going to be an easy season for any of those three teams.
Yes, you have money, so on paper should do better.
But the money and ludicrous wages did nothing for you last season, the money has to be spent correctly.
Signing a well past-it Andy Johnson and giving Keiron Dyer for another year isn't going to do it.
In fact if you really have the money, you should be signing somebody like Jay Rodriquez.
If Bothroyd or Zamora don't come good next season I'd still expect you to struggle.
You need to score goals to win games, at the end of the day. You don't score many, how are you going to fix it?
Not by signing Andy Johnson.
So for all your money, I'm not willing to put a fiver of mine on QPR staying up unless they buy somebody who can score goals.
At current you don't have a genuine Premier League quality striker.
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angloraider
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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LeJuge says' 90% of norwich fans are happy with Hughton.
I say 80% of all statistics are made up on the spot!
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angloraider
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I would be surprised if we end up with Andy Johnson. if we do a squad player. And, we certainly wont be reliant on Bothroyd. I'm surprised at the response, I think if that's how rival fans (but friends) feel about what will happen with us, I think they might be in for a shock in the x-fer market!
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LeJuge
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| angloraider wrote: | | I would be surprised if we end up with Andy Johnson. if we do a squad player. And, we certainly wont be reliant on Bothroyd. I'm surprised at the response, I think if that's how rival fans (but friends) feel about what will happen with us, I think they might be in for a shock in the x-fer market! |
I won't be in for a shock.
My point is purely that it is one thing having money, it is another thing spending it wisely and on the right people.
You have already wasted goodness knows how many millions of over-inflated wages of journeymen whose Premier League quality is debatable.
Bothroyd, Zamora, DJ Campbell..... all flopped last year.
Cisse was obviously a great signing, and having him for the whole season is a good start, but if none of those other three step up to the mark then you need to be buying a Premier League quality striker to partner him.
Especially given his injury record and tendency to do stupid thing.
You will need a lot of your current players to prove themselves next season. They didn't last season, you were rubbish.
The bottom three were pathetically weak this year.... next season will be tougher.
For all three of the promoted clubs who stayed up.
Especially with Southampton having the likes of Lambert, Lallana, and potentially Rodriquez.
I'd have Lambert over any of your strikers, I'd have Lallana over any of your midfielders.
Your defence is great on paper.... but you let in 66 goals last season.
It's alright having Onoura, Traore, Ferdinand, Young..... all big names.... but you conceded the same number as us....
Your big signings have flopped, they all have a big point to prove.
All capable of proving that point, but they still have to go out and do it.
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Esox Lucius
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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If Bothroyd or Zamora don't come good next season I'd still expect you to struggle.
You need to score goals to win games, at the end of the day. You don't score many, how are you going to fix it?
Not by signing Andy Johnson.
So for all your money, I'm not willing to put a fiver of mine on QPR staying up unless they buy somebody who can score goals.
At current you don't have a genuine Premier League quality striker. |
I would say Cissé might have a shout.
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LeJuge
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Esox Lucius wrote: | | LeJuge wrote: |
If Bothroyd or Zamora don't come good next season I'd still expect you to struggle.
You need to score goals to win games, at the end of the day. You don't score many, how are you going to fix it?
Not by signing Andy Johnson.
So for all your money, I'm not willing to put a fiver of mine on QPR staying up unless they buy somebody who can score goals.
At current you don't have a genuine Premier League quality striker. |
I would say Cissé might have a shout. |
I got in there first with:
"Cisse was obviously a great signing, and having him for the whole season is a good start, but if none of those other three step up to the mark then you need to be buying a Premier League quality striker to partner him. Especially given his injury record and tendency to do stupid thing". |
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angloraider
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Lejuge, I agree with some of our signings, but apart from Zamora(who I dont think was a flop) the rest you suggest were Warnock signings before the club was taken over. I prefer to look at Hughes signings, Diakite (on loan) brilliant. Cisse, Brilliant. Taiwo (on loan) brilliant. Onuoha, brilliant. Zamora, we disagree on, not brilliant but certainly held the line very well when Cisse was suspended. Hughes has shown he knows how to spend the budget. I have full confidence in him.
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I think given the chance to work with the players pre-season will see further improvement in Mark Hughes' current squad.
It is a bold statement to say that you would prefer Lambert to any of our strikers - he hasn't had a season in the prem yet - same for Rodriguez. Lallana looks a good player but against the likes of Taarabt, Faurlin and Diakite? |
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angloraider
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If you take the last 10 games as a mini season, we had games against all of the top 6 and we finished 6th in that league. It means precisely nothing, except of course our survival, however I believe many sides finish seasons as they start the next. For me it bodes well!
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LeJuge
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| Devonranger wrote: | I think given the chance to work with the players pre-season will see further improvement in Mark Hughes' current squad.
It is a bold statement to say that you would prefer Lambert to any of our strikers - he hasn't had a season in the prem yet - same for Rodriguez. Lallana looks a good player but against the likes of Taarabt, Faurlin and Diakite? |
Cisse aside, I'd take Lambert over the rest of your strikers not because I am assuming that he is going to 'do a Grant Holt' (although, I do think he will).
Rather, I'm saying it because Bobby Zamora, DJ Campbell, and Jay Bothroyd scored a total of 5 goals between them last season.
Steve Morison spent most of the year on the bench and managed 9 or 10.... Anthony Pilkington scored 8 from midfield.
All three well and truly flopped, just the way that it is. I'd bet my pension on Lambert managing more than 5 next season.
Do you gamble on Zamora, DJ, and Bothroyd 'coming good' and managing double figures next year.....
.... Or do you spend a lot of money on a new striker?
Look, I expect you to do better next season too, if I was given on a £100 free bet and told to pick a position I'd probably choose 14th.
But you need to score goals..... you lot seem to have a lot more faith, is that faith in the existing players raising their game?
Or is that faith dependent on a decent striker coming in?
I'm not gloating, bragging, or anything like that..... if Holt leaves I am well and truly stumped in regards to who we can get in.
Goals could be our problem too.
All I'm saying, is that you need to score the goals if you are really going to be outside of the relegation fight.... and I expect Southampton to score the goals.[/img] |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| LeJuge wrote: | | Esox Lucius wrote: | | LeJuge wrote: |
If Bothroyd or Zamora don't come good next season I'd still expect you to struggle.
You need to score goals to win games, at the end of the day. You don't score many, how are you going to fix it?
Not by signing Andy Johnson.
So for all your money, I'm not willing to put a fiver of mine on QPR staying up unless they buy somebody who can score goals.
At current you don't have a genuine Premier League quality striker. |
I would say Cissé might have a shout. |
I got in there first with:
"Cisse was obviously a great signing, and having him for the whole season is a good start, but if none of those other three step up to the mark then you need to be buying a Premier League quality striker to partner him. Especially given his injury record and tendency to do stupid thing". |
You do seem to have ignored the fact that, as a club, we appear to have owners willing and able to spend and a manager (who wasn't with us in the earlier parts of the season when form was poor and some perhaps not so good signings were made) who has a good record with his signings.
Certainly Cisse, Zamora, Onuoha and Diakite are better than anything we had.That also applies to Taiwo whether he stays or not.
And it seems odd to come out with "You need to score goals to win games, at the end of the day. You don't score many, how are you going to fix it?" when clearly that did apply but was apparently confronted and changed.
As for defensively, while the result at chels was disapointing (as was the earlier result at Fulham), such a thing could happen to any team when up against one of the major Prem powers. Couldn't it?  And we never conceded more than three at home (and then only twice, once to an injury time goal and once to Man City) apart than the four Bolton (ho ho ) somewhat luckily hit past us in a silly opening fixture.
It'll be interesting to see if players such as Lallana, Lambert and Rodriguez will look anywhere near as impressive in the Prem as they did in the Championship. Remember our own Adel Taarabt, despite being voted Championship Player of The Year and a place in The Championship's best XI, often struggled. I do, however. think Southampton will do better than Reading or West Ham (as the clubs currently stand) although I wouldn't bet on it.
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LeJuge
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| angloraider wrote: | | If you take the last 10 games as a mini season, we had games against all of the top 6 and we finished 6th in that league. It means precisely nothing, except of course our survival, however I believe many sides finish seasons as they start the next. For me it bodes well! |
I've just looked at the league table, looks like we are 10th and you are 11th:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/norwich-city/results
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