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W13hoop · Level 3 dot.orger Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Posts: 1319

thats it Andy you got it now ! come on Lee! Laughing

Stan · Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:18 pm Post subject:

what evidence do you have that OBL is dead W13? You seem convinced he's dead.
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W13hoop · Level 3 dot.orger Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Posts: 1319

Stan you constantly have a pop at me for never reading the links I post and you go and ask a question like that on a thread as short as this!

Open your eyes and read what I have said.

Lee Gib · Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:42 pm Post subject:

Stan · Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:33 pm Post subject:

AndyB · Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:37 pm Post subject:

To summarise -

there is no evidence that he is alive.

From this assertion - he IS dead according to W13.

Lee pointed out that lack of evidence that he is alive does not necessarily mean that he is dead.

So, the conversation turned to asking W13 what his evidence is that OBL is dead.

And his reply is - "read the thread." Oh and someone important has SAID so.

I think that is the proverbial nutshell innit?

W13, can you not see how folk are not necessarily questioning your assertion here but asking you to justify it. I don't KNOW if he is alive or dead. Nor do you.
The fact that him being dead fits your little conspiracy theories about war-funding etc. clouds your ability to look at it objectively.

Like the 9/11 discussion. As soon as I and others put some explanations to your claims and theories, or ask you to justify claimed FACTS - you run away shouting irrelevances and making unfunny jokes.

That's not debate - it's just shouting with your fingers in your ears.

I asked in a previous thread but you didn't reply. Just wondered about your take on the moon landings.

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Moon landings. Wallace and Gromit have been there. I saw the whole thing on the BBC so it must be true.
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Virginia_R · Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:12 pm Post subject:

W13hoop · Level 3 dot.orger Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Posts: 1319

I have not claimed once on here to know that he is dead, not once.
It is my opinion , I think he is dead but as I have already stated on here I do not know for sure and none of what I have posted can be classed as proof or evidence.

I am pretty certain that soon enough the powers that be that will announce that OBL has been found and killed in a raid or a drone attack - in my opinion they cant keep the lie going much longer although with the closed minds that are evident on this board perhaps we could go another decade blaming a dead man for attacks on 'the west'.

I do not know anything about the moon landings , maybe because it was well before my time or just the fact that it does not interest me I am not too sure but I have never really looked into it so don't want to comment.

What are your opinions on them?

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Lee Gib · Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:38 pm Post subject:

And there it is again. You openly admit that you have no proof or evidence for what you hold true, and yet call us close minded simply for not believing you. Scientology would love you.

If his name is Tim Osman and he's on the CIA payroll why would they kill him and then lie about it for nine years? If they really needed him to be alive to continue the war on terror, then why not just keep the bastard alive making you tube vids?

Surely you can see that this conspiracy theory makes no sense at all.

Stan · Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:17 pm Post subject:

why does it help the US Government if the world thinks OBL is alive? It just doesn't make any sense. I know of nobody who thinks his death would end the current conflict. Do you W13?

Conversely, who ever claims to have killed him will get an instant boost in the polls. If he was known to be dead, Bush or Obama would definitely have claimed the kill.

Don · Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:33 pm Post subject:

W13hoop · Level 3 dot.orger Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Posts: 1319

Lee as stated before its my opinion that he is dead and as a result of that opinion I think its ridiculous that the large majority of people assume he is alive and well and orchestrating terror plots against the west from the 'badlands' of Afpak as the yanks now call it.

Scientology! wow we could open a new thread on that one , I have some pretty interesting insights into Scientology from my time in the States.
I am totally against Scientology , think its a money making cult that is seriously dangerous.

His name was'nt Tim Osman , that was his intelligence name given to him when was on the payroll of the CIA.

I do not believe that 'they' killed him, I believe he died from illness Dec 2001.

Think back to that time , 9/11 had just taken place and he was branded as the main culprit almost minutes after the attacks took place despite there not being any evidence linking him to the attacks , him and his global terror network were the main enemy of the United States and any alliance they could muster including ourselves.

He suddenly dies , imagine what that would do to the planned war on terror that the Neo cons had pre planned in PNAC documents!?

If there main bogeyman is now suddenly dead just as this war of terror is about to begin it would put the whole thing in jeopardy so they covered it up and continue to do so to this day.

Ok lets do a simple poll.

do you think OBL is dead or alive. Yes or No answer - just want your own opinion.

I will commence with a Yes ....