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Re: General Election called

Post by 222gers » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:42 pm

Live debate between Corbyn and Johnson on the televisual display unit tonight. Normally, I'd be keen to watch this but even a political animal like me has had enough.
I can't visualise an outcome of this election that will be beneficial. Possibly, at a pinch, a Conservative win followed by a period of instability, the reformation of the Labour party leading to a more sensible party and a Labour win in a few years time.
Although a Remainer, I've given up and accept leaving but hopefully in an orderly fashion. However, I'm not holding my breath.

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Re: General Election called

Post by dm » Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:07 pm

222gers wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:42 pm
Live debate between Corbyn and Johnson on the televisual display unit tonight. Normally, I'd be keen to watch this but even a political animal like me has had enough.
I can't visualise an outcome of this election that will be beneficial. Possibly, at a pinch, a Conservative win followed by a period of instability, the reformation of the Labour party leading to a more sensible party and a Labour win in a few years time.
Although a Remainer, I've given up and accept leaving but hopefully in an orderly fashion. However, I'm not holding my breath.
What is it about the Labour party that makes you think it isn't sensible?

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Re: General Election called

Post by 222gers » Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:49 am

dm wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:07 pm
222gers wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:42 pm
Live debate between Corbyn and Johnson on the televisual display unit tonight. Normally, I'd be keen to watch this but even a political animal like me has had enough.
I can't visualise an outcome of this election that will be beneficial. Possibly, at a pinch, a Conservative win followed by a period of instability, the reformation of the Labour party leading to a more sensible party and a Labour win in a few years time.
Although a Remainer, I've given up and accept leaving but hopefully in an orderly fashion. However, I'm not holding my breath.
What is it about the Labour party that makes you think it isn't sensible?
I think electable would have been a better word for me to have chosen. I have memories of the Michael Foot election in '83.

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Re: General Election called

Post by dm » Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:18 am

222gers wrote:
Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:49 am
dm wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:07 pm
222gers wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:42 pm
Live debate between Corbyn and Johnson on the televisual display unit tonight. Normally, I'd be keen to watch this but even a political animal like me has had enough.
I can't visualise an outcome of this election that will be beneficial. Possibly, at a pinch, a Conservative win followed by a period of instability, the reformation of the Labour party leading to a more sensible party and a Labour win in a few years time.
Although a Remainer, I've given up and accept leaving but hopefully in an orderly fashion. However, I'm not holding my breath.
What is it about the Labour party that makes you think it isn't sensible?
I think electable would have been a better word for me to have chosen. I have memories of the Michael Foot election in '83.
Whether Labour is electable is a different question and we'll obviously find out on 13 December. In terms of policies, by and large Labour's manifesto is very good for those who hold socialist views and, given the dire conditions the Toris have driven millions of people into, I think Labour should be more electable than they seem to be judging by the polls. But Brexit casts a massive shadow over this GE and after 3.5 years since the referendum most have entrenched opinions that will determine how they vote. That people are willing to put someone like Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson into number 10 for the next 5 years shows just how skewed this GE is.

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Re: General Election called

Post by Rbee » Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:35 pm

Although I still find all of this political stuff very interesting there is one thing that really strikes me.

All the hot hair and 💩 being spouted at the moment does nothing for our carbon footprint!

I find blind loyalty to a single political party old fashioned and a little scary as both parties have performed really badly in recent times.

Whoever leads the next coalition will break most of their pre election promises.

My vote will go to the lesser of the evils as none, unfortunately, inspire me.

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Re: General Election called

Post by Lee Gib » Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:33 pm

I don't envy you people. What an utterly shit selection you all have to pick from.

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Re: General Election called

Post by Esox Lucius » Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:20 pm

After todays revelations concerning six meetings about the NHS having already been held and the US wants access to the sale of drugs at US prices there is one party that no-one should be voting for.
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Re: General Election called

Post by dm » Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:56 pm

Esox Lucius wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:20 pm
After todays revelations concerning six meetings about the NHS having already been held and the US wants access to the sale of drugs at US prices there is one party that no-one should be voting for.
Yes indeed but perhaps the lies, racism, homophobia, elitism, incompetence and sheer self-serving interest of the current prime minister will also help guide people's decisions. I do hope so.

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Re: General Election called

Post by White Duck » Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:31 pm

What a circus put on by Corbyn and his cronies this morning: should've had a couple of kids dressed as Tiny Tim on crutches handing out the paperwork instead of doctors and nurses. Fake news at its worst. I would've thought it was impossible for the man to look more of an idiot after his car crash interview yesterday but he has achieved it today. Unelectable.
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Re: General Election called

Post by Lee Gib » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:23 pm

dm wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:56 pm
Esox Lucius wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:20 pm
After todays revelations concerning six meetings about the NHS having already been held and the US wants access to the sale of drugs at US prices there is one party that no-one should be voting for.
Yes indeed but perhaps the lies, racism, homophobia, elitism, incompetence and sheer self-serving interest of the current prime minister will also help guide people's decisions. I do hope so.
Exactly the problem with this whole election:

"This guy is a tosser, don't vote for him. Vote for that guy who is slightly less of a tosser"

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Re: General Election called

Post by 222gers » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:32 pm

It's strange but with just 2 weeks to go to an election which could see a seismic shift in British society, we haven't had any canvassers or even a leaflet through the door where I live. No posters in people's windows....nothing at all.

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Re: General Election called

Post by Montag » Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:09 pm

I cannot see anything other than a result derived from Brexit. Corbyn (who I agree with on many industrial issues) has tried to walk a tightrope between the Brexit North and Remain London. This cannot be done. He should have tried to explain to his party that many of their policies were inconsistent with the EU and sought to change their minds whilst honouring the democratic mandate of Brexit (which he pledged to do in 2017). I think the Tories will win big in the North for the 1st time in God knows how long. Those northerners who cannot stomach voting Tory will vote Farage. Labour will be all but a rump. The Tories will have the biggest majority since Thatcher and we will be exposed to whatever they may impose on us. The Labour Party is an utter mess. IMO they cannot win and they don't deserve to. £300B for a nuke system that you're too principled to use? Really?? Why buy it then??!!
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Re: General Election called

Post by 222gers » Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:25 pm

Strange remarks from Mr Johnson. British companies struggling after Brexit would receive state aid and public sector organisations would be compelled to “buy British”.

Why would companies be struggling if Brexit is supposed to be beneficial ? Secondly, when did the Conservative party ever consider intervention into the marketplace ?

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Re: General Election called

Post by Montag » Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:41 pm

between 1951-1974.
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Re: General Election called

Post by 222gers » Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:50 pm

Montag wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:41 pm
between 1951-1974.
Ah, the years of consensus politics. So long ago I've forgotten. If Johnson becomes PM with a working majority we can expect a vicious and pitiless spell in British political history. I blame David Cameron for this.

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