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angloraider
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I honestly don't know where you are coming from. Nobody has been brought in yet, you seem to think we are going in with precisely the same team. Hughes has a budget, I am confident he will spend it well, he has shown so far, as we have proved to you, he is to be trusted with the war chest. Our squad will be strenghtened.
Ps thanks, we will take 14th, but you have to admit elsewhere in you posts you are talking as if we are for the drop.
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| DAVEf wrote: | | LeJuge wrote: | | Esox Lucius wrote: | | LeJuge wrote: |
If Bothroyd or Zamora don't come good next season I'd still expect you to struggle.
You need to score goals to win games, at the end of the day. You don't score many, how are you going to fix it?
Not by signing Andy Johnson.
So for all your money, I'm not willing to put a fiver of mine on QPR staying up unless they buy somebody who can score goals.
At current you don't have a genuine Premier League quality striker. |
I would say Cissé might have a shout. |
I got in there first with:
"Cisse was obviously a great signing, and having him for the whole season is a good start, but if none of those other three step up to the mark then you need to be buying a Premier League quality striker to partner him. Especially given his injury record and tendency to do stupid thing". |
You do seem to have ignored the fact that, as a club, we appear to have owners willing and able to spend and a manager (who wasn't with us in the earlier parts of the season when form was poor and some perhaps not so good signings were made) who has a good record with his signings.
Certainly Cisse, Zamora, Onuoha and Diakite are better than anything we had.That also applies to Taiwo whether he stays or not.
And it seems odd to come out with "You need to score goals to win games, at the end of the day. You don't score many, how are you going to fix it?" when clearly that did apply but was apparently confronted and changed.
And as for defensively, while the result at chels was disapointing (as was the earlier result at Fulham), such a thing could happen to any team when up against one of the major Prem powers. Couldn't it?  And we never conceded more than three at home (and then only twice, once to an injury time goal and once to Man City) apart than the four Bolton (ho ho ) somewhat luckily hit past us in a silly opening fixture.
It'll be interesting to see if players such as Lallana, Lambert and Rodriguez will look anywhere near as impressive in the Prem as they did in the Championship. Remember our own Adel Taarabt, despite being voted Championship Player of The Year and a place in The Championship's best XI, often struggled. I do, however. think Southampton will do better than Reading or West Ham (as the clubs currently stand) although I wouldn't bet on it. |
I expect QPR to stay up, I've already said that, you seem to be ignoring that yourself.
But as things stand you are still pinning your hopes on a player who has fragile legs, and still go into next season with that complete liability Barton, and look to be taking up one of your 25 with a player who has played about 1 game a year for a decade.
It is far too early to be making predictions about what the league table will look like.
Primarily because if no signings are made, both Norwich and QPR will be in a relegation fight.
I'll wait and see who you spend your money on, and then who is in your 25, and the same with us.
It's excited mind, I'm just judging you on the team that you already have, and the performances that we have seen from your team thus far.
I'll wait and see whether you sign exciting young attacking players or waste millions more on the likes of Andy Johnson and Michael Owen.
Next year is going to be tougher than this year...... Blackburn were terrible, Wolves were terrible, Bolton were terrible.
You lot were terrible too, just not quite as terrible as them.
I honestly don't expect so many terrible teams next year.
West Ham, Southampton, Reading.
No easy games there mate. |
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LeJuge
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| angloraider wrote: | I honestly don't know where you are coming from. Nobody has been brought in yet, you seem to think we are going in with precisely the same team. Hughes has a budget, I am confident he will spend it well, he has shown so far, as we have proved to you, he is to be trusted with the war chest. Our squad will be strenghtened.
Ps thanks, we will take 14th, but you have to admit elsewhere in you posts you are talking as if we are for the drop. |
No, all I am saying is that money doesn't always buy success, big names don't always work out.
Last summer QPR fans had us down for rock bottom and you lot for mid-table, purely based on the amount of money that teams had at their disposal.
This year the same seems to apply. QPR fans have us for relegation certainties and yourselves as mid-table somewhere.
So just remember that.
I can remember that Bothroyd was better than Holt, Tarabt was worth more than the whole Norwich team put together.
I remember that Pilkington and Bennett were Championship players and that we were "planning for relegation".
I remember that Morison was the only one of our signings that you lot rated (turned out to be pretty average but still banged in 9 goals).
So all I am saying is that the money has to spent wisely.
Warnock wasn't backed like Hughes of course, if he was he'd probably still have a job at Loftus Road. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="LeJuge"][quote="DAVEf"][quote="LeJuge"][quote="Esox Lucius"] | LeJuge wrote: |
I honestly don't expect so many terrible teams next year.
West Ham, Southampton, Reading.
No easy games there mate. |
Time will tell but I still say that none of the three promoted clubs are currently equipped for the Prem and others (Wigan, Swansea, WBA, Stoke and Norwich) could all find themselves struggling as well. Fulham would be my outsiders to get dragged into the survival battle.
But, to repeat what I have said before, there is a long way until the start of the season and opinions can only really be spouted on how clubs stand now. And even then, luck, injuries and officials can all conspire to give anyone a bad start that leads to a season-long struggle. |
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angloraider
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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You're wrong about our expectations last summer. Before the club was taken over a week before the august x-fer window closed our expectations were rock bottom. I for one couldn't see away of avoiding the drop. When fernandes came in our expectations rose as each signing came in, as you would expect. We swapped managers at the right time, and in the nick of time we saved ourselves.
No one is under any illusions, its going to be tough, however we like what is happening, it is good to have optimism that is not misplaced. We feel we are looking up rather than down.
We have the nucleus of a useful prem side and with a few additions could be more than useful. We feel that we might be finding our prem feet.
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LeJuge
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| angloraider wrote: | You're wrong about our expectations last summer. Before the club was taken over a week before the august x-fer window closed our expectations were rock bottom. I for one couldn't see away of avoiding the drop. When fernandes came in our expectations rose as each signing came in, as you would expect. We swapped managers at the right time, and in the nick of time we saved ourselves.
No one is under any illusions, its going to be tough, however we like what is happening, it is good to have optimism that is not misplaced. We feel we are looking up rather than down.
We have the nucleus of a useful prem side and with a few additions could be more than useful. We feel that we might be finding our prem feet. |
Well one thing is for certain..... any of Swansea, QPR, and Norwich who stay up next season will be strong candidates to stay in the league for a long time like Fulham and Stoke.
Football is crazy these days..... Swansea were in League Two not long ago, Norwich in League One, Southampton League One.
There are the ups and the downs, I'm just enjoying the ride. I'm old enough to remember us beating Bayern Munich.... I was there for both legs..... I also remember making a cash donation to Norwich to keep us afloat three years next month.
I'll enjoy the season whether we are 10th or 20th.... because I've seen things a lot worse at Carrow Road.
In 1996 we were playing in front of 10000 people (fans boycotted for a year) and our club was sold for £1 million to the man who would then sell it straight on to Delia for the same amount.
Just having £15m to £20m to spend is a dream to those who remember those days, we could have bought 15 Norwich City's then.
So with all due respect, I don't really give a sh*t about whether QPR will win a few more points than us this year.
We are riding on the crest of a wave and if that wave can last another season or two after this one then excellent.
I'm young enough to expect to be throwing tenners in a blanket again at some stage in my life.
That's football, its cyclical and evolutionary.
I like to look at the bigger picture that way, and for that reason I do worry a little about QPR (a genuine worry).
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angloraider
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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Cool, happy with that.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| angloraider wrote: | You're wrong about our expectations last summer. Before the club was taken over a week before the august x-fer window closed our expectations were rock bottom. I for one couldn't see away of avoiding the drop. When fernandes came in our expectations rose as each signing came in, as you would expect. We swapped managers at the right time, and in the nick of time we saved ourselves.
No one is under any illusions, its going to be tough, however we like what is happening, it is good to have optimism that is not misplaced. We feel we are looking up rather than down.
We have the nucleus of a useful prem side and with a few additions could be more than useful. We feel that we might be finding our prem feet. |
Agreed. My expectations at the start of last season (however much I tried to keep them buried) were that we were in for a season of getting regularly battered before being relegated (a la 1968/69). The odd (luckyish?) away win didn't help with my feelings (then, though obviously they proved vital in the final analysis).
Now, however, I'm already looking forward to next season with hope and some optimism. Not silly optimism but I genuinely believe we already have a squad capable of avoiding relegation and, with signings I hope and 90% expect will come, I reckon mid-table (and getting ready for the next steps) might be a reasonable target.
Though I'm too old and wise in the ways of football to allow myself to get actually excited and nervous apprehension will be my general state for at least the first month. |
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LeJuge
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| angloraider wrote: | You're wrong about our expectations last summer. Before the club was taken over a week before the august x-fer window closed our expectations were rock bottom. I for one couldn't see away of avoiding the drop. When fernandes came in our expectations rose as each signing came in, as you would expect. We swapped managers at the right time, and in the nick of time we saved ourselves.
No one is under any illusions, its going to be tough, however we like what is happening, it is good to have optimism that is not misplaced. We feel we are looking up rather than down.
We have the nucleus of a useful prem side and with a few additions could be more than useful. We feel that we might be finding our prem feet. |
Actually, we had dozens (literally), of QPR fans on our message board telling us that we were finishing 20th and that QPR would be getting into Europe within two years.
That's the reason why I came to troll you all. So no, I am not wrong about that. |
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angloraider
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Precisely., DAVEf.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Well, hopefully, LeJuge, you realise you are talking now to fans who are more realistic about what is going on at the hoops.
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| angloraider wrote: | | Well, hopefully, LeJuge, you realise you are talking now to fans who are more realistic about what is going on at the hoops. |
A real mixed bag to be honest.
I have the most respect for the QPR fans who would like their club to dissociated themselves with Joey Barton.
I think that your club would be much more respected without him.
Don't think anybody would have reason to wish your club bad without him. He is no Robbie Savage, he isn't fun to hate, he is hated with a genuine passion by most football fans and players.
And I'm not sure where he would turn next. |
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angloraider
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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Well we will see where the Barton thing goes, but what I can tell you is the mail that was sent out with the season ticket renewed stuff contained alot of squad pictures and not one of them was the aforementioned. Perhaps a clue to where this thing is going.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| LeJuge wrote: | | angloraider wrote: | | Well, hopefully, LeJuge, you realise you are talking now to fans who are more realistic about what is going on at the hoops. |
A real mixed bag to be honest.
I have the most respect for the QPR fans who would like their club to dissociated themselves with Joey Barton.
I think that your club would be much more respected without him.
Don't think anybody would have reason to wish your club bad without him. He is no Robbie Savage, he isn't fun to hate, he is hated with a genuine passion by most football fans and players.
And I'm not sure where he would turn next. |
Oh we are intensely disliked by some. Luton for a start  .
That's better, now I've wiped my eyes.
And there were even a few chel fans who reacted a bit to getting beaten at Loftus Road. 
Mainly though, hatred/dislike comes because the club is based in one of the greatest cities the World has ever known. And, as quick-thinking, quick-talking, chirpy, cheeky, chatty, loveable Londoners, we are proud to be different (better) than the unlucky folk from the rest of the country and this innate superiority sometimes leads to accusations of arrogance (mainly from small-minded, bitter folk). So long may it continue  |
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LeJuge
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| DAVEf wrote: | | LeJuge wrote: | | angloraider wrote: | | Well, hopefully, LeJuge, you realise you are talking now to fans who are more realistic about what is going on at the hoops. |
A real mixed bag to be honest.
I have the most respect for the QPR fans who would like their club to dissociated themselves with Joey Barton.
I think that your club would be much more respected without him.
Don't think anybody would have reason to wish your club bad without him. He is no Robbie Savage, he isn't fun to hate, he is hated with a genuine passion by most football fans and players.
And I'm not sure where he would turn next. |
Oh we are intensely disliked by some. Luton for a start .
That's better, now I've wiped my eyes.
And there were even a few chel fans who reacted a bit to getting beaten at Loftus Road.
Mainly though, hatred/dislike comes because the club is based in one of the greatest cities the World has ever known. And, as quick-thinking, quick-talking, chirpy, cheeky, chatty, loveable Londoners, we are proud to be different (better) than the unlucky folk from the rest of the country and this innate superiority sometimes leads to accusations of arrogance (mainly from small-minded, bitter folk). So long may it continue |
Oh, wait.... you were being serious?  |
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