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 Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:52 pm Post subject: The Diving Solution (Gary Neville Analysis) |
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First, i've got to admit it was an exellent analysis of G. Neville last night. (sorry if anyone has posted it already).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNx5ok60U6A
However, he failed to come up with a good solution.
I believe replays on the spot, are the solution ( the equivalent to consulting the 3rd Umpire in cricket).
Not retrospective punishment! Replays! If a player dives, and the ref isn't sure he should be able to consult another ref who is able to see replays immediately. Like this, the game of football would be a game again. This surely would be an incentive not to dive.
If a player still decides to dive and "do a hollywood" when touched slightly then the 4th ref must make the decision. Like rugby, tennis and cricket it isn't so time consuming and surely the football industry can afford it.
All the ridicoulous tugging of shirts and holding onto players at set-peices would be stopped too. Goal-line technology wont be needed either. With a replay they will be able to tell if the ball crosses the line or not.
Isn't this a possibilty? Doesn't it solve the problems?
If we want an improvement, then the referee shouldn't have so much power.
Discuss.
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I don't think the ref should have his power diminished but he should have the benefit of technology to make his decisions more infallible than they currently are. I would be in favour of the refs having more power should their decisions become more reliable, to the extent that a situation like the rugby players enjoy where a refs decisions are rarely questioned and when they are it is done in a respectful manner.
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Bring in technology, across the whole pitch, give the managers a number of challenges (2 a half or 3 all game) as in tennis, if they are correct, then they keep their challenges, if incorrect then the challenge is lost.
Could make the end of games exciting if teams have some challenges left and are pumping the ball into the box.
However, back to the question, I think it would stop diving instantly, the first player that dives and has a failed challenge will receive the manner of all instructions to not do that again - hence, it will stop.
P.S. on diving, there was a great piece in Warnock's column on Saturday, when apparently he asked Jamie Mackie why he never went down, the reply was along the lines of "I don't know how to" |
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| Diving is one of those things that should, IMO, be punished retrospectively. And punished heavily. Time can be taken analysing an incident and if a "respected" team of experts consider there was a deliberate dive attempting to gain an illegal advantage (as opposed to avoid getting hurt) then a few six or ten game bans (with warnings that any ban will double on a second offence) should soon see diving eradicated (almost). |
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| DAVEf wrote: | | Diving is one of those things that should, IMO, be punished retrospectively. And punished heavily. Time can be taken analysing an incident and if a "respected" team of experts consider there was a deliberate dive attempting to gain an illegal advantage (as opposed to avoid getting hurt) then a few six or ten game bans (with warnings that any ban will double on a second offence) should soon see diving eradicated (almost). |
But Dave. What about when a player is touched but goes down too easily? The ref sees contact so gives a penalty. This could be a title decider or a relegation decider. What does it matter if he gets retrospective punishment? His team might have won the cup. Wouldn't it be better for a 4th ref to see a replay immediately (perhaps also punish the player after the game too)
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| avigar wrote: | | DAVEf wrote: | | Diving is one of those things that should, IMO, be punished retrospectively. And punished heavily. Time can be taken analysing an incident and if a "respected" team of experts consider there was a deliberate dive attempting to gain an illegal advantage (as opposed to avoid getting hurt) then a few six or ten game bans (with warnings that any ban will double on a second offence) should soon see diving eradicated (almost). |
But Dave. What about when a player is touched but goes down too easily? The ref sees contact so gives a penalty. This could be a title decider or a relegation decider. What does it matter if he gets retrospective punishment? His team might have won the cup. Wouldn't it be better for a 4th ref to see a replay immediately (perhaps also punish the player after the game too) |
It'd still only be an opinion though (and possibly disagreeing with that of the ref)? And a light touch can unbalance a player moving at speed.
Truth is there are already so many examples of rule breaking (especially in the Penalty area) that now go unpunished but might likely need to be examined by replay that the game would take hours to complete thus annoying fans but more importantly TV companies (meaning the legislation you suggest would get talked about but never put in place).
A month or two of heavy retrospective punishments early in the season could all but put a stop to diving (and any later in matches deemed to have extra importance could carry even greater punishments). |
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| DAVEf wrote: | | avigar wrote: | | DAVEf wrote: | | Diving is one of those things that should, IMO, be punished retrospectively. And punished heavily. Time can be taken analysing an incident and if a "respected" team of experts consider there was a deliberate dive attempting to gain an illegal advantage (as opposed to avoid getting hurt) then a few six or ten game bans (with warnings that any ban will double on a second offence) should soon see diving eradicated (almost). |
But Dave. What about when a player is touched but goes down too easily? The ref sees contact so gives a penalty. This could be a title decider or a relegation decider. What does it matter if he gets retrospective punishment? His team might have won the cup. Wouldn't it be better for a 4th ref to see a replay immediately (perhaps also punish the player after the game too) |
It'd still only be an opinion though (and possibly disagreeing with that of the ref)? And a light touch can unbalance a player moving at speed.
Truth is there are already so many examples of rule breaking (especially in the Penalty area) that now go unpunished but might likely need to be examined by replay that the game would take hours to complete thus annoying fans but more importantly TV companies (meaning the legislation you suggest would get talked about but never put in place).
A month or two of heavy retrospective punishments early in the season could all but put a stop to diving (and any later in matches deemed to have extra importance could carry even greater punishments). |
If the idea whittonhoop suggested of maybe 3 challenges per team. That would add another dimension to the game, probably making it more fun for fans and it wouldn't add so much time. How long does it take in cricket and rugby?
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No longer than a WBA throw in after they scored. 
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Points gained by cheating should be deducted.
Now that would stop diving.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| avigar wrote: | | If the idea whittonhoop suggested of maybe 3 challenges per team. That would add another dimension to the game, probably making it more fun for fans and it wouldn't add so much time. How long does it take in cricket and rugby? |
I don't like this idea. You're 2-1 down in the 88th minute after just getting a goal back, all the momentum is with your side and then suddenly the opposition manager starts reviewing every single thing he can to break the flow of the game up.
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| If teams were allowed more than three calls a game then Man Utd and Alex Ferguson would make a match last for days as they would argue even over a throw in |
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| Dunc wrote: | | avigar wrote: | | If the idea whittonhoop suggested of maybe 3 challenges per team. That would add another dimension to the game, probably making it more fun for fans and it wouldn't add so much time. How long does it take in cricket and rugby? |
I don't like this idea. You're 2-1 down in the 88th minute after just getting a goal back, all the momentum is with your side and then suddenly the opposition manager starts reviewing every single thing he can to break the flow of the game up. |
So lets say that the ref decides when to view the replay. He wont do it for anything. Only if it's a important or difficult decision, he will consult.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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Well if we're putting forward ridiculous ideas, then my suggestion is that each team gets a 5 minute power play where there are 3 balls on the pitch at the same time.
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| Dunc wrote: | Well if we're putting forward ridiculous ideas, then my suggestion is that each team gets a 5 minute power play where there are 3 balls on the pitch at the same time.
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Can the power plays run concurrently?
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Yes, if both chairmans agree before hand. In this event, it will be termed 'Super Power Play' and each new ball will be thrown onto the pitch by the cheerleaders.
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