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Micky
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| LeJuge wrote: | | Obviously we are all worried about when it is that he plans to leave. We hope that, like his mentor Martin O'Neill, he will tend to stay five years at each club rather than jump at the quickest opportunity. |
Given his track record this seems like wishful thinking.
2005–2006 Livingston
2006–2008 Wycombe Wanderers
2008–2009 Colchester United
2009– ? Norwich City
| Quote: | | I think Lambert has a lot of integrity. |
Colchester fans might think otherwise.
| Quote: | Villa haven't got shed loads of cash floating around, it would be a bit of a sideways move.
I'd be much more concerned if Dalglish was asked to move on in the summer. I don't think Lambert is the type to jump to the next slightly bigger club who offer him a job. |
I wouldn't be so sure. He's already made a few sideways moves and managed his respective clubs above their level. This is the same Aston Villa that spent £20m on Darren Bent and £10m on N'Zogbia in the last couple of years. I think he'd find it difficult to turn down the job.
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Micky
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| LeJuge wrote: | Will just add to that.... if Lambert leaves it won't be too much of a travesty if the man we replace him with is Malky Mackay. Himself a Norwich legend and an up and coming manager himself.
If he gets Cardiff up however, we will have to look elsewhere, and then things will get worrying (if PL were to leave this summer).
Mackay would be someone that the fans get behind from day one, and when there is a good vibe the players will be willing to take to him too.
No Lambert and no Mackay however, and I would admittedly be pretty worried.
The only one that I can think of is Alan Curbishley, as a safe option, we've got some decent kids coming through and he is the type of manager to use them. Korey Smith, Tom Adeyemi, and George Francomb.
Norwich have done nothing but back Lambert though. We were worried that he wasn't going to get who he wanted in January, I think we missed out on one of his targets, word is that this was Snodgrass.
But he got two players in for fees totaling £5m, both young and Lambert type signings. As long as he gets who he wants in summer and isn't forced to sell any players I would fully expect him to give it another year.
We also have Leicester at home in the 5th round of the FA Cup, if we win that we are in the 6R/QF. There is no Man Utd, no Arsenal, no Man City, in that competition..... every chance that if Chelsea get drawn against Tottenham in the QF or SF we could find ourselves at Wembley.
That's a complete game changer. Because we would be in Europe. But it's football and anything can happen, we might not win another game this season and do a Blackpool.
I wouldn't bet on that, but it can happen. |
Mackay looks a good manager. I've got a funny feeling Cardiff will be promoted this season. They've been flirting with promotion for years and it's going to happen at some point.
Arsenal are still in the FA Cup. They play Sunderland in the 5th round. |
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LeJuge
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[quote="Rich"] | LeJuge wrote: | | Rich wrote: | Is this Norwich fan for real?
1) Where are his quotes about what he thought they would do with the signings they made? There won't be any, because like everyone else he's shocked. He also knows deep down that it won't last long so lets let him enjoy himself for a while....
2) TF and the Mittals have spent more than they would lose if we get relegated. That's taking everything into account. Therefore, why wouldn't you lose a bit more to rebuild what you have spent initially? This is the most vital piece of info conveniently missed off his post the other day.
3) Opposition fans only post on other forums when they think about said side. He's clearly jealous and wishes he was from the capital city rather than some field in Great Yarmouth. Bright yellow says it all
1) Actually they are here: http://www.qprdot.org/viewtopic.php?p=546328&highlight=#546328 - from July 2011. You can pick and choose from any of my posts on there, including "We all firmly believe that Lambert can keep us up, the question is how long he will stay at the club, because most of us are convinced that he will reach the very top of the game".
2) I've read point 2 a hundred times and it sounds like something you hear in Parliament every Wednesday. What you just wrote makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to me, it sounds like you are talking an alien language. Canary Wharf or Wall Street is where you should be, and this is precisely the delusion that I am talking about, what the f**k does that gobbledygook even mean? They have spent more than they would actually lose if they went
down.... right, so if you spend a tenner and don't lose a fiver, you have £10 less in your wallet. If you spend a tenner and do lose a fiver, you have £15 less in your wallet. But losing a fiver doesn't matter because you have
already spent a tenner?
That "bit of info" was left off because it is nothing but strange words produced by your fingers pressing buttons on a keyboard, which then appear on a screen, and whilst appearing initially to be coherent are almost entirely
meaningless. So... what you mean is "Sh*t I've lost £50 in the bookies today, better put my last £20 on a horse to see if I can win it back, if not the wife will kill me". Like I said, perfect logic for Wall Street 
3) London is the last place that I would want to live. The worst quality of life in the country, I'm surprised you can afford to breathe. You earn £30000 in London and get to live in a double room for the priviledge, have to pay £4000 a year to use the tube, and a pint costs a fiver. Go and earn £25000 elsewhere (a realistic adjustment in salary) and you can buy yourself a three bedroom house, drive to work, and get a pint for £2.50. London? Pah. |
Please excuse my slow response. I'm currently sunning (that yucky yellow colour again....) myself in Florida so I'm in a different time zone. That £30k salary stretches a long way when you live in London, we don't need to drive East to "sunny" Yarmouth for our "treat"
1) Your quote confirms exactly what I said, your know PL won't be around long, and know when he goes Delia won't be able to cook up a good enough replacement to keep you in the PL (nice PLay on words there, get it PL/PL)
2) You seem quite a bright canary so I'm surprised after 100 reads you don't understand what stares us all in the face. You spend approx £70m on transfers and wages knowing you'll get 75% of it back on 18k gates and Prem TV money. The plan goes wrong and you get relegated. You still get 16k gates and parachute prem payments so you're out of pocket say £10-£20m per season. Not ideal, but to a family worth £20billion that's relative peanuts, call it that years interest!
So, spend £70m+ walk away at a loss or keep with the plan and spend a little more on a delayed plan of becoming a European force, coupled with losing face and revenue in other business ventures, when after all they consider this a hobbie.......simple to conclude their thoughts.
3) A pint is £3.50 down here. There aren't many places (if any) where you can earn 6, let alone 7 figure salaries in Norfolk. There are lots of opportunities down here....  |
1) Probably not, but the real change at the club has been the new chief executive and the new CEO. Taking these decisions out of the hands of a chef who admits she knows nothing about football. McNally sacked Gunn after one game, he didn't appoint him as manager. Lambert was appointed partly because Martin O'Neill (norwich legend) was consulted and told him to appoint Lambert. At Celtic McNally was the man who gave O'Neill the job, he was also the man who appointed Roy Hodgson at Fulham. Lambert was O'Neill's captain. Norwich fans have often had threads on our boards saying "would you rather lose Lambert or McNally?" and the general consensus is that people would rather lose Lambert, because for the first time in two decades we have faith in the ability of the man who is in charge of choosing managers. If we lost McNally I would probably go into a deep depression, become nocturnal, and start eating lots of carrots to help me see in the dark
2) It can go one of either two ways. It could go very well for you, or it could go very wrong. Newcastle fans may hate Mike Ashley, but he has been a revelation for them, wiped out their debt, and backed them in the Championship. There are also examples of teams which have had promised investment which hasn't materialised or gambled on their future and faced the consequences. Obviously the biggest example of that is Portsmouth, but also Leeds who were crippled by overspending. As I have explained somewhere else, every pound pumped in by Fernandes and Mittal is currently a loan. They have to wipe out the debt and take the loss themselves for it to not effect you at some stage in the future whether short term or long term. So you are effectively getting credit from rich people, where banks wouldn't lend it to you, mortgaging against future revenues. I have been unnecessarily harsh on here at times, and when I put it like that I have to admit that I wouldn't wish 'doing a Portsmouth' on the fans of 90 of the 92 league teams, and the two left over are Ipswich and Wolves, so good luck.
3) Not in the places worth going they aren't! Leicester Square a fiver. I'm not going to visit Albert Square when I visit friends in London! Although admittedly probably £3.50 in Camden. There are of course high earning jobs in London, mainly Canary Wharf, but you have to be either a) very highly skilled, or b) know the right people (e.g. went to school in Westminster). The average earner in London will have a much lower standard of living than the average earner in Norwich.
And to earn £100k in Norwich you have to be a director of something, of course. But it's a great place to own and run a business, especially retail, a great shopping city..... retail has grown year on year for two decades, including the last few years. It's also a great place to own a village pub in the summer or a couple of flint cottages on the coast, loads of Londoners crawling all over the place 
If you can earn £100k in London though, doing anything other than financial services, you could earn £130k in Australia and wake up each morning for a quick swim in your outdoor pool. That's where the skilled people are going, London has got brain drain, and it's for that very reason.... wages rising slower than inflation, rents rising.
I'd rather sh*g a Bernard Matthews turkey than sit around with superficial UCL grads on a trading floor. I'm self-employed and my earnings would be 25% higher in London. My costs would be much higher. Australia is not feasible. So Norfolk for me |
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LeJuge
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| Micky wrote: | | LeJuge wrote: | | Obviously we are all worried about when it is that he plans to leave. We hope that, like his mentor Martin O'Neill, he will tend to stay five years at each club rather than jump at the quickest opportunity. |
Given his track record this seems like wishful thinking.
2005–2006 Livingston
2006–2008 Wycombe Wanderers
2008–2009 Colchester United
2009– ? Norwich City
| Quote: | | I think Lambert has a lot of integrity. |
Colchester fans might think otherwise.
| Quote: | Villa haven't got shed loads of cash floating around, it would be a bit of a sideways move.
I'd be much more concerned if Dalglish was asked to move on in the summer. I don't think Lambert is the type to jump to the next slightly bigger club who offer him a job. |
I wouldn't be so sure. He's already made a few sideways moves and managed his respective clubs above their level. This is the same Aston Villa that spent £20m on Darren Bent and £10m on N'Zogbia in the last couple of years. I think he'd find it difficult to turn down the job.
LeJuge, I sincerely hope Norwich fans enjoy their 15 minutes. |
Livingstone went bankrupt. Colchester refused to pay £500k for Grant Holt.
We aren't going bankrupt, and have backed him in the transfer market for three consecutive seasons.
Like I said, he came to work for McNally, the Chief Exec of Celtic when he was there. I'd be more worried if we lost him than Lambert.
Lose McNally AND Lambert and we are in the deep poo poo. But it's not very often than a club recruits a new chief exec and new manager at the same time.
Livingston (Scottish third divison) - Wycombe (English third division) - Colchester (English league one) - Norwich (English league one with Grant Holt, Wes Hoolahan (who he managed at Livingstone), and McNally.
No sideways steps have taken place. Aston Villa are weaker than they have been for years, they still play Emile Heskey for christs sake.
He might leave, I'll give you that, but he isn't going to go to Aston Villa after seeing the way that they treated O'Neill.
Lambert has been handed £15m worth of transfers this year, a budget of £15m-£20m per year is a decent one for any Premier League team with the exception of a few at the top.
They bought n'Zogbia and Bent, but they sold Ashley Young and Steward Downing to pay for them.
Selling club with no ambition. Better off staying at Carrow Road. Liverpool on the other hand, I'd bet he'd love to go all Fergie on Andy Carroll and give Suarez a slap. |
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LeJuge
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| Micky wrote: | | LeJuge wrote: | Will just add to that.... if Lambert leaves it won't be too much of a travesty if the man we replace him with is Malky Mackay. Himself a Norwich legend and an up and coming manager himself.
If he gets Cardiff up however, we will have to look elsewhere, and then things will get worrying (if PL were to leave this summer).
Mackay would be someone that the fans get behind from day one, and when there is a good vibe the players will be willing to take to him too.
No Lambert and no Mackay however, and I would admittedly be pretty worried.
The only one that I can think of is Alan Curbishley, as a safe option, we've got some decent kids coming through and he is the type of manager to use them. Korey Smith, Tom Adeyemi, and George Francomb.
Norwich have done nothing but back Lambert though. We were worried that he wasn't going to get who he wanted in January, I think we missed out on one of his targets, word is that this was Snodgrass.
But he got two players in for fees totaling £5m, both young and Lambert type signings. As long as he gets who he wants in summer and isn't forced to sell any players I would fully expect him to give it another year.
We also have Leicester at home in the 5th round of the FA Cup, if we win that we are in the 6R/QF. There is no Man Utd, no Arsenal, no Man City, in that competition..... every chance that if Chelsea get drawn against Tottenham in the QF or SF we could find ourselves at Wembley.
That's a complete game changer. Because we would be in Europe. But it's football and anything can happen, we might not win another game this season and do a Blackpool.
I wouldn't bet on that, but it can happen. |
Mackay looks a good manager. I've got a funny feeling Cardiff will be promoted this season. They've been flirting with promotion for years and it's going to happen at some point.
Arsenal are still in the FA Cup. They play Sunderland in the 5th round. |
Well I hope Cardiff narrowly miss out again, because he would be our safeguard against Lambert poachers.
He definitely is a good manager, reminds me of Lambert in fact. Always gets the best out of what he is given, spends money wisely, always backs his players.
He was a great captain for us too and still has a house here. If Cardiff go up then yes, it will be a nervous May and early-June.... and it will be until Lambert signs a player or two. |
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| Don wrote: | Ah! A Scouse apology.
Now get back to your arable lands and have a pint in Stiffkey for me. I don't know if it's still any good but there used to be a wonderful pub there - several real ales and a landlady who was about a stone overweight, in all the right places.
And I've never been to a weirder place than Walsingham. Police riot vans in place to control the religious groups. It was like being back in the seventeenth century. I particularly liked the placard that said "The mass is an abomination in the eyes of Christ". Loved it. |
I've never been to either Stiffkey or Walsingham, but trust me when I say that I've ended up in some weird weird places in the middle of Norfolk.
Wouldn't be surprised if they aren't even mapped yet, I'm probably the first outsider to wander in and come out alive.
I tend to find Norwich people to be similar to the inhabitants of any modestly sized city, if a little lacking in ambition and occasionally unaware of a world outside.
If you venture a few miles out you get the posh houses, anything between those satellite villages and the coastal towns are at high risk of being capable of freaking you out. That's where you find people like Michael Carroll, and probably where we get our reputation for inter-family sexual relations.
They are also the people who staff the Bernard Matthews factories, if they can get in past the Poles and Portuguese.
But I can safely say that every Norwich person that I know who has got the bright idea of making some cash by working at a Chicken farm has lasted 10 minutes before doing a runner and hitchhiking home. If anything, that is evidence that we need a certain number of Poles over here. |
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Micky
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Some interesting points. Lambert strikes me as an ambitious manager and I suspect he'll want to move at some point in the next couple of years. I think a few bigger clubs could come looking for him this summer. I suspect a lot will depend on whether Lambert feels he's going to be appropriately backed in the transfer market. I'll also be interested to see what happens if you get some serious offers for the likes of Holt, Pilkington, Hoolahan etc.
I hope Cardiff miss out on promotion again but I've got a funny feeling this will be their season. |
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| Did not know what a Troll was until people accused me of being it, wonder now you are out of the clsoet will they apologize.......... |
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LeJuge
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Micky wrote: | Some interesting points. Lambert strikes me as an ambitious manager and I suspect he'll want to move at some point in the next couple of years. I think a few bigger clubs could come looking for him this summer. I suspect a lot will depend on whether Lambert feels he's going to be appropriately backed in the transfer market. I'll also be interested to see what happens if you get some serious offers for the likes of Holt, Pilkington, Hoolahan etc.
I hope Cardiff miss out on promotion again but I've got a funny feeling this will be their season. |
I don't think anybody would be willing to pay as much for Holt as we would want. If he were 3 years younger perhaps. He is 30, not getting any younger, chances are he only as two years left at this level. He's been absolutely top rate this year, if he carries on like this he will be travelling to the Ukraine with John Ruddy, but nobody is going to offer £5m for him.
To be honest, Hoolahan isn't looking much better than average. I thought he'd be our best player this year, we play better football with him in the team 9 times out of 10, but he isn't any more important than anybody else in the eleven. He does his job well but he is definitely one that would be looking sideways. I honestly thought that if any player was going to be our Charlie Adam it would be Hoolahan, but where is he going to go? Biggest problem is that he isn't scoring the goals that people expected him too.
Pilkington though, he is the one that might get interest from further up, he has been a revelation. In the summer Alex Ferguson was asked about all the kids he releases (which is dozens every year, huge youth setup), and whether there is any in recent years that he regrets getting rid of. His answer was Anthony Pilkington..... 7 goals later (1 in 3 from the wing!) and he is definitely showing why.
Ruddy and Pilkington are the ones that are good enough to be poached by a big team, Ruddy is better for me than Robert Green ever was for us (and that was before Green starting making the mishaps). Hoolahan and Holt aren't getting any younger.
I wouldn't be worried about anybody leaving whilst Lambert is here, I'd be more worried about who we appointed if Lambert (and whether they would rip apart the squad), and whether Lambert would want to take any players with him.
I certainly don't think the issue will be with us selling players without Lambert's backing. He might want us to try and get Naughton at the end of the year though, that might create tension.
He would have to overachieve with Norwich to get European football anytime soon. He would have to do a Moyes and stick around for 5 years to get that. That's what he wants, I can only really see him going to a club where European football is a realistic achievement (and not by fluking it as runner up of a cup). That team isn't Villa for me.
So.... it probably is a case of 'when' rather than 'if', I just suspect we will get another year out of him. Purely because if he can do what he has done this year two years in a row he could end up with a better offer on the table.
If I was a betting man I would say Liverpool. I just can't see Dalglish going this summer, I think he will get another season. Spurs will probably go for Ancelotti.
So a wild stab in the dark for me would be Liverpool summer 2013 Perfect club for Lambert, and he plays the type of football that the Kop like to see.
He would have made Suarez whimper like a little girl after refusing that handshake too.
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| William wrote: | | Did not know what a Troll was until people accused me of being it, wonder now you are out of the clsoet will they apologize.......... |
Apologise to me or to you?
I don't deserve an apology!
As for you, maybe you deserve one I wouldn't know, but.... it's the internet, not a pub, so don't hold your breath |
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| William wrote: | | Did not know what a Troll was until people accused me of being it, wonder now you are out of the clsoet will they apologize.......... |
Being a troll is not like being 'Highlander', Bill.
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William
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| LeJuge wrote: | | William wrote: | | Did not know what a Troll was until people accused me of being it, wonder now you are out of the clsoet will they apologize.......... |
Apologise to me or to you?
I don't deserve an apology!
As for you, maybe you deserve one I wouldn't know, but.... it's the internet, not a pub, so don't hold your breath |
Of course not you, me.............. |
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| Don wrote: | | William wrote: | | Did not know what a Troll was until people accused me of being it, wonder now you are out of the clsoet will they apologize.......... |
Being a troll is not like being 'Higlhander', Bill. |
yet another thing i do not know what is.............. |
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i'm sure normal for norfolk doesn't either
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I think I may have been wrong about you my Norfolk Nemesis  . I may have taken some of my frustration with Rangers out on you and your club(still can't forgive 76 though). Whilst I stand by most of what I said - I could have been more polite. Accept my olive branch - so I can get back to fretting about QPR again |
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