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Post by 1 Bobby Hazell » Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:22 pm

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Stan wrote:The death count is such a "talking point" Red Herring. Its like saying "twice as many Germans died in WW2 than Americans & British deaths combined (which they did) therefore the Germans were the good guys".

Who do you think your fooling Bobby? It means nothing except that Israel provides air raid shelters for her citizens.
'Death count ... red Herring.' The casual use of such a phrase only serves to back up my points.

I'm not attempting to fool anyone Stan, if you believe that the extra Palestinian deaths are down to use of Air Raid Shelters and nothing to do with Israel's murderous foreign policy then so be it, your mind set is well entenched and sadly seems beyond change.

I agree with Don and Biscuit re 1 death is enough, my use of figures is an attempt to get you to look at your own anger (leading to genocide justification) due to the Israeli deaths and then put yourself in Palestinian shoes with their number of deaths to deal with and see how their militant thinkers are of the same mindset as you. If you were a Palestinian you would be equally, if not more, in the consciousness of 'destroy my enemy before he destroys me'. It is this consciousness, on both sides of any conflict, which keeps war and destruction alive in all mass violence on this planet. I believe this is what Rblock is also saying.

If it were the Palestinians receiving billions of dollars from the US and occupying Israel, rest assured I would see them the same way. Just as I condemn my own government for its murderous intentions and actions, so poorly disguised as neccesary or 'good' by PR for the simple of thought.

Personally I feel for the people of Israel, I am sure they are being used by the US for their own Middle East Unsettlement requirements and when the 'game' reaches a new stage they will be abandoned. Never forget that the system that so handsomely funds Israel now is the same one that funded the Nazi's. They will use any 'cause' or 'people' who serve them at a particular time but will dump them at the drop of hat when it suits.

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And Don, New Seekers :lol:
Interesting stuff Bobby however you lost me here.

Please forgive me if I'm missing something obvious but which system funded the Nazi's and now funds Israel?
I'm referring to powerful Corporate America. There's a sea of info out there Micky. Kick off with these from various places, but if you keep searching there is tons of stuff on it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/se ... ndworldwar

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/na ... cars30.htm

http://www.11points.com/News-Politics/1 ... _the_Nazis

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fasci ... erpts.html
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Post by Stan » Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:25 pm

Micky wrote:
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Stan wrote:The death count is such a "talking point" Red Herring. Its like saying "twice as many Germans died in WW2 than Americans & British deaths combined (which they did) therefore the Germans were the good guys".

Who do you think your fooling Bobby? It means nothing except that Israel provides air raid shelters for her citizens.
'Death count ... red Herring.' The casual use of such a phrase only serves to back up my points.

I'm not attempting to fool anyone Stan, if you believe that the extra Palestinian deaths are down to use of Air Raid Shelters and nothing to do with Israel's murderous foreign policy then so be it, your mind set is well entenched and sadly seems beyond change.

I agree with Don and Biscuit re 1 death is enough, my use of figures is an attempt to get you to look at your own anger (leading to genocide justification) due to the Israeli deaths and then put yourself in Palestinian shoes with their number of deaths to deal with and see how their militant thinkers are of the same mindset as you. If you were a Palestinian you would be equally, if not more, in the consciousness of 'destroy my enemy before he destroys me'. It is this consciousness, on both sides of any conflict, which keeps war and destruction alive in all mass violence on this planet. I believe this is what Rblock is also saying.

If it were the Palestinians receiving billions of dollars from the US and occupying Israel, rest assured I would see them the same way. Just as I condemn my own government for its murderous intentions and actions, so poorly disguised as neccesary or 'good' by PR for the simple of thought.

Personally I feel for the people of Israel, I am sure they are being used by the US for their own Middle East Unsettlement requirements and when the 'game' reaches a new stage they will be abandoned. Never forget that the system that so handsomely funds Israel now is the same one that funded the Nazi's. They will use any 'cause' or 'people' who serve them at a particular time but will dump them at the drop of hat when it suits.

Love is the key and the ONLY way.

And Don, New Seekers :lol:
Interesting stuff Bobby however you lost me here.

Please forgive me if I'm missing something obvious but which system funded the Nazi's and now funds Israel?
dont you get it Micky? It's talking point #1. Compare Israelis to Nazis at every possible opportunity.

And Dunc, The West Bank was taken in a defensive action after Jordan sent her Armies over the river to attack Israel. FYI the West Bank was part of Jordan, not some country called Palestine.
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Post by Dunc » Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:40 pm

Stan wrote:
Micky wrote:
1 Bobby Hazell wrote: 'Death count ... red Herring.' The casual use of such a phrase only serves to back up my points.

I'm not attempting to fool anyone Stan, if you believe that the extra Palestinian deaths are down to use of Air Raid Shelters and nothing to do with Israel's murderous foreign policy then so be it, your mind set is well entenched and sadly seems beyond change.

I agree with Don and Biscuit re 1 death is enough, my use of figures is an attempt to get you to look at your own anger (leading to genocide justification) due to the Israeli deaths and then put yourself in Palestinian shoes with their number of deaths to deal with and see how their militant thinkers are of the same mindset as you. If you were a Palestinian you would be equally, if not more, in the consciousness of 'destroy my enemy before he destroys me'. It is this consciousness, on both sides of any conflict, which keeps war and destruction alive in all mass violence on this planet. I believe this is what Rblock is also saying.

If it were the Palestinians receiving billions of dollars from the US and occupying Israel, rest assured I would see them the same way. Just as I condemn my own government for its murderous intentions and actions, so poorly disguised as neccesary or 'good' by PR for the simple of thought.

Personally I feel for the people of Israel, I am sure they are being used by the US for their own Middle East Unsettlement requirements and when the 'game' reaches a new stage they will be abandoned. Never forget that the system that so handsomely funds Israel now is the same one that funded the Nazi's. They will use any 'cause' or 'people' who serve them at a particular time but will dump them at the drop of hat when it suits.

Love is the key and the ONLY way.

And Don, New Seekers :lol:
Interesting stuff Bobby however you lost me here.

Please forgive me if I'm missing something obvious but which system funded the Nazi's and now funds Israel?
dont you get it Micky? It's talking point #1. Compare Israelis to Nazis at every possible opportunity.

And Dunc, The West Bank was taken in a defensive action after Jordan sent her Armies over the river to attack Israel. FYI the West Bank was part of Jordan, not some country called Palestine.
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And the rest of the country?!
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Post by 1 Bobby Hazell » Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:21 pm

Stan wrote: dont you get it Micky? It's talking point #1. Compare Israelis to Nazis at every possible opportunity.
Nothing of the sort Stan, it's actually my attempt to educate on how the Israelis's are being used and the consciousness of those doing the using. They are not people genuinely concerned with the plight and safety of the Jewish people as their callous funding and profiteering during the Nazi's reign of evil shows. They are merely using them in the same way they will use any movement, group, nation, dictator etc etc they can.
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Post by 1 Bobby Hazell » Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:22 pm

Spiritof76 wrote:My only correction would be of the word 'consciousness', personally I think 'unconsciousness' fits better. And it is that, that has to change if we are to avoid extinction as a species. Time to wake up folks!
Agreed

So much for my leaving this thread, who was I kidding!
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Post by deepseahoop » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:55 pm

So Avigar i was wondering why you're so pro israel when most of the world see's them as being in the wrong.

Stan is easy he has that Zionist chip firmly placed on his shoulder and has to defend his race against all us so called anti semites :roll: who are out to wipe him and his kind off the face of the earth yawn.

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Post by Esox Lucius » Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:11 pm

After much careful and considered thought I think the world would be a better place if both sides carried on the fighting until both sides are obliterated of the face the Earth. This would free up much needed land and resources which, over time could be recovered and made fruitful.
Those in the world who wish to fight should be encouraged to do so until none are left.
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Post by deepseahoop » Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:45 pm

Esox this isn't hungry hippo's mate the israeli's are really killing kids
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Post by Stan » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:12 pm

you're so predictable. Had a drink have we?
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Post by deepseahoop » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:02 pm

predictability is in your court mate this thread isn't about me is it sunshine!!
So Avigar come on what is your reason to support a discredited regime?
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Post by deepseahoop » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:26 pm

Stan wrote:you're so predictable. Had a drink have we?
or perhaps what i should be pointing out is that poor old Stan at 9.12pm on a saturday night in the UK is sad, sober and lonely,,,

No wonder you're opinion is so warped, have another anti depressant, make another mug of Cocoa and have another early night, we all feel for you Stan let us know if you need a lift to Sainsbury's mate!!
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Post by Stan » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:35 pm

deepseahoop wrote:
Stan wrote:you're so predictable. Had a drink have we?
or perhaps what i should be pointing out is that poor old Stan at 9.12pm on a saturday night in the UK is sad, sober and lonely,,,

No wonder you're opinion is so warped, have another anti depressant, make another mug of Cocoa and have another early night, we all feel for you Stan let us know if you need a lift to Sainsbury's mate!!
It's Friday night!! :lol: :lol: do yourself a favour & dont post again tonight.
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Post by deepseahoop » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:42 pm

Oh so you've had a drink humdillyfucking la
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Post by deepseahoop » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:50 pm

Stan wrote:
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Stan wrote:you're so predictable. Had a drink have we?
or perhaps what i should be pointing out is that poor old Stan at 9.12pm on a saturday night in the UK is sad, sober and lonely,,,

No wonder you're opinion is so warped, have another anti depressant, make another mug of Cocoa and have another early night, we all feel for you Stan let us know if you need a lift to Sainsbury's mate!!
It's Friday night!! :lol: :lol: do yourself a favour & dont post again tonight.
Friday or saturday you're still backing the killing of children, shame! :cry:
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Post by Esox Lucius » Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:23 am

deepseahoop wrote:Esox this isn't hungry hippo's mate the israeli's are really killing kids
Those kids will grow up with the same hate and bitterness, as will the Israeli progeny, as it has become entrenched. I stand by my earlier statement.
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