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Magdalene Laundries

Post by rblockells » Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:53 pm

Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not.Both ideas are overwhelming.

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Post by Esox Lucius » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:56 pm

rblockells wrote:Is an apology good enough?

http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/ ... tate-guilt
Nowhere near enough, them and the Christian Brothers (NOT an oxymoron unfortunately) will never be able to atone for what they did.
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Post by Parks Queen » Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:52 pm

rblockells wrote:Is an apology good enough?

http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/ ... tate-guilt
EFF NO. You've identified one of my all time pet peeves here.
They -- and their ilk -- D-I-S-G-U-S-T me. To no end.

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Post by DAVEf » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:41 pm

I've known two women who were committed (long-term) to mental hospitals, in England, by their parents, direct with no church playing any part, simply for getting pregnant while under-age. From what they told me they were far from being the only ones so treated. One I lost contact with after she appeared to be trying to drink herself to death while the other took a quicker route and threw herself off the roof of a house.

What a World eh. :(
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Post by Parks Queen » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:51 pm

I was replying to another thread where I was telling my story and that of my family's, when the screen mercifully froze on me and I had to reboot. It included the treatment of my brother by the Western world.

He was a major chick-magnet back in Korea. As handsome as can be, a superstar athlete and a student, class president, valedictorian, and etc. And then we fled Generalissimo Park's repressive Korea (really a North Korea - lite) to the West, just before his assassination [DQ's film recommendation of the day: President's Last Bang (original title in Korean: Those People Back Then -- a nod to the signature song title by his pet singer portrayed in the film)] and a whole new world was before us.

A world wracked with fear ... of the ... HOMOSEXUALS!!!! (as well as female rebels leaving homes to find themselves) The Koreans already abroad did not warn us of the institutionalized racism but HOMOS! We thought it funny ... until we started school. My brother kept getting called a homo. If the pretty boy stirs one's loins, why he must be giving off fag vibes. I got pegged as a slut when I suddenly morphed from a nondescript bookworm into what people thought was a hottie. If a chick stirs your loins then she must be the slut, or giving off the lesbo vibes (they insist I do). And worse, he began to believe it, especially after a priest was done with his mind and his young body. I only knew he thought himself all sorts of sexually dysfunctional being, and only found out the priest bit right before he threw himself out the window.

He suffered 10+ years of this. And I have suffered MANY more years of the aftermath. This strange fruit of others' sexual insecurities, jealousies, alarm, and always those stories ... those so many made up tales ... about the strangers, the dangerous Other, the intolerables, the uppity us. And how they persecute and persecute, at the top of the volume, since we just don't get their subtlety.

We were both star students and leaders. Here he killed himself in college, and I was left to pick up the pieces, having to drop out of school and work several menial jobs so that my little sister could get her degree, with my crazed mother in tow. And she did go mad, violently mad. She who was the beauty of her day, she of her illustrious ancestors, she who could not bear to grow old without growing bitterly angry at her budding daughters. And I never did finish my college. When I returned to pick up where I had left off the teachers were even more bold with me, sexually, and intellectually threatened. The gangster tactics they employed to try to get into my pants, and the laughable little political ploys ... more than convinced me that I should just go my own way and educate myself, which is exactly what I did, and what I had been doing anyway since I first taught myself, all alone, unnoticed, to read at three years of age. Luckily, I was blessed with a marketable body and that is where the world rewarded me monetarily. I know that it makes me an evil woman.

The "Christians" around us kept telling us that our will was just ... too ... strong!!! that we were not GIVING enough, that we were at fault for everything, yada yada. I looked up the bible in depth from cover to cover for many years, and finally came to put those quotes around these worthies who never get around to actually reading the messages, and getting it. I have found real Christians, though, now and then, here and there, in my political activities. So, please give us Christians a little benefit of a doubt the next time you feel like throwing the book at the whole lot -- which is how we also feel, often enough -- because there ARE those of us who are trying out there, and trying to clean up the whole lotta mess out of the mouths of the loud oh-so-many popping our eyeballs and eardrums.

We are flawed but we do try. It was we who crushed the wingnut GAWD-people once and for all, this election cycle. With our own Christian arguments, biblically based. And some of us are not afraid of words, all kinds of words. And some of us even dance and sing ... and have liberal minds. And are not the least bit afraid of knowledge. And are friends of science and reason. And other beliefs. And live in the real world, among diverse people with diverse baggages.

But I do really detest the generations of vipers.


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Post by Esox Lucius » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:55 pm

Thank you for sharing that. Have a virtual internet hug.
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Post by Parks Queen » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:57 pm

Esox Lucius wrote:Thank you for sharing that. Have a virtual internet hug.
You are a Prince! Thank you.
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Post by Esox Lucius » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:03 pm

Parks Queen wrote:
Esox Lucius wrote:Thank you for sharing that. Have a virtual internet hug.
You are a Prince! Thank you.
You're welcome. I grew up in a culture of racism and "queer bashing" the trick is to realise that it is wrong and make the change. That old saw of a mind being like a parachute has never lost it's meaning.
It's not the despair that will kill you, it's the hope.

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