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Re: Ambition

Post by QPR-NI » Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:26 pm

jimjams wrote:
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FFP has destroyed any ambition QPR could ever have. The owners should have seen it through to the highest court in the land, because if ever there is a case to answer for restraint of trade and facilitating monopolies, ffp is it.

However they have accepted the “ guilt” and we are where we are, whilst Derby laugh at them and us.
We can still have ambition, we just need to earn our success rather than buy it. Buying it seems usually to fail anyway. It's a bit odd, I think, to wish you were more like Derby or Birmingham and less like Brentford.
What success would that be?

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Re: Ambition

Post by Devonranger » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:41 am

Think we need to wait and see - come the end of the season I expect a few clubs to be squirming and Derby will be one of them.

Apparently hiring one Nick Di Marco to fight their legal corner ...

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Re: Ambition

Post by Damien » Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:52 pm

QPR-NI wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:03 pm
FFP has destroyed any ambition QPR could ever have. The owners should have seen it through to the highest court in the land, because if ever there is a case to answer for restraint of trade and facilitating monopolies, ffp is it.

However they have accepted the “ guilt” and we are where we are, whilst Derby laugh at them and us.

Until this unjust rule is consigned to the bin where it belongs, we and those like us, will just have to accept that bottom of the Championship or League 1, is where we will be.

The message is quite clear, know your place and don’t dare show any ambition to improve, even when spending your own money, how you see fit.
This.

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Re: Ambition

Post by jimjams » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:51 am

QPR-NI wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:26 pm
jimjams wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:07 am
QPR-NI wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:03 pm
FFP has destroyed any ambition QPR could ever have. The owners should have seen it through to the highest court in the land, because if ever there is a case to answer for restraint of trade and facilitating monopolies, ffp is it.

However they have accepted the “ guilt” and we are where we are, whilst Derby laugh at them and us.
We can still have ambition, we just need to earn our success rather than buy it. Buying it seems usually to fail anyway. It's a bit odd, I think, to wish you were more like Derby or Birmingham and less like Brentford.
What success would that be?
Whatever success we achieve, obviously.

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Re: Ambition

Post by UxbridgeR » Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:20 am

There's an interesting stat doing the rounds on Twitter, pointing out that for the third year in a row, we have an identical record at this point in the season - Played 32, Points 39, GD -9. Each under different managers.

Progress ?
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Re: Ambition

Post by White Duck » Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:46 am

Didn't we have terrible 2nd halves of both those seasons? Certainly did last year under Steve Mc.
So even an average next 3 months would put us ahead of both the last two seasons: lets hope last night's decent result is the start of a good run.
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Re: Ambition

Post by Lee Gib » Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:57 am

UxbridgeR wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:20 am
There's an interesting stat doing the rounds on Twitter, pointing out that for the third year in a row, we have an identical record at this point in the season - Played 32, Points 39, GD -9. Each under different managers.

Progress ?
That is an amazing stat. :lol:

A bit of context though. Compare our wage bills for those three seasons and it can't be classed as anything other than real progress.

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Re: Ambition

Post by dm » Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:27 pm

Lee Gib wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:57 am
UxbridgeR wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:20 am
There's an interesting stat doing the rounds on Twitter, pointing out that for the third year in a row, we have an identical record at this point in the season - Played 32, Points 39, GD -9. Each under different managers.

Progress ?
That is an amazing stat. :lol:

A bit of context though. Compare our wage bills for those three seasons and it can't be classed as anything other than real progress.
Indeed Lee, not to mention the progress of the actual football the team is playing.

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Re: Ambition

Post by Devonranger » Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:10 pm

When you consider the players sold over this period, those recruited and the adjustment in reducing transfer fees spent, against increased transfer revenue from sales, and the players we are developing, I'd say that was more than ok.

Add to that having to give up our top goalscorer this season for no return, then I'd say we are faring pretty well.

New recruits and facing down the loaded barrel of the FFP AK47 again or as we are...... I know what I'd rather have.

A valiant attempt at getting up towards the play offs will do me just fine, whilst being in that comfort and watching more than a few championship clubs squirming for those three places going up, knowing that failing to do so might leave them right amongst the toilet substance for FFP

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Re: Ambition

Post by UxbridgeR » Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:13 pm

dm wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:27 pm
Lee Gib wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:57 am
UxbridgeR wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:20 am
There's an interesting stat doing the rounds on Twitter, pointing out that for the third year in a row, we have an identical record at this point in the season - Played 32, Points 39, GD -9. Each under different managers.

Progress ?
That is an amazing stat. :lol:

A bit of context though. Compare our wage bills for those three seasons and it can't be classed as anything other than real progress.
Indeed Lee, not to mention the progress of the actual football the team is playing.
I appreciate the point about the wage bill, but what I thought was interesting was that the record was the same across three seasons under three different managers. "Football is a results business" is the justification regularly trotted out when we sack a manager every 12 months or so, yet the statistics suggest that those changes have made very little difference in terms of actual results. People have different perceptions about the quality of football played under each manager, but we (currently at least) remain a bottom-third Championship team. Perhaps a bit of continuity on the management side might help to yield better results in the longer term.
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Re: Ambition

Post by dm » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:14 pm

UxbridgeR wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:13 pm
Perhaps a bit of continuity on the management side might help to yield better results in the longer term.
As we all know that's something we've not tried for a good few years. Keeping the same manager should surely now be viewed as essential to the club's development.

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Re: Ambition

Post by Esox Lucius » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:49 pm

dm wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:14 pm
UxbridgeR wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:13 pm
Perhaps a bit of continuity on the management side might help to yield better results in the longer term.
As we all know that's something we've not tried for a good few years. Keeping the same manager should surely now be viewed as essential to the club's development.
Absolutely this!
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Re: Ambition

Post by White Duck » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:59 pm

dm wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:14 pm
UxbridgeR wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:13 pm
Perhaps a bit of continuity on the management side might help to yield better results in the longer term.
As we all know that's something we've not tried for a good few years. Keeping the same manager should surely now be viewed as essential to the club's development.
Keeping the same manager is a good idea as long as they haven't totally lost the plot and cannot win any matches like Steve McC last season.
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Re: Ambition

Post by dm » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:46 pm

White Duck wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:59 pm
dm wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:14 pm
UxbridgeR wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:13 pm
Perhaps a bit of continuity on the management side might help to yield better results in the longer term.
As we all know that's something we've not tried for a good few years. Keeping the same manager should surely now be viewed as essential to the club's development.
Keeping the same manager is a good idea as long as they haven't totally lost the plot and cannot win any matches like Steve McC last season.
Well, yes and no. SMc - yes he needed to go. But what if, as is currently the case, we finish this season more or less in the same position with similar points as last season? I'd say we still should keep MW because even though he's losing games and some might feel he's losing the plot, there's clearly something to build on for the future.

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Re: Ambition

Post by old pauline » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:38 pm

MW has to stay in my opinion. He's doing a good job with limited resources and we are regularly competing but not putting our chances away. The football is a MILLION miles way from the dirge that SMC served up. An its not his fault that he is been unable to permanently add a couple of Championship quality strikers. Plus he's worked with what he has been given without moaning like 3 out of the last 4 managers.
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