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Re: He should go....

Post by ANDREW1302 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:26 pm

Interesting. I wonder how many people orefer Maclaren to Holloway. I am stabbing a guess here but i think Holloway would win hands down.
The stupidity was if you were going to replace Holloway you had to be very sure you were making the right decision. To take on a proven failure as a manager was rather in line with the whole of TFs reign a poor illconsidered decision .

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Re: He should go....

Post by krama » Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:34 pm

Personally I would give the job to white duck as he/she appears to know exactly what do and on the surface thinks they know this management lark inside out. Then, when it all goes wrong, which it inevitably would, would could all crucify him/her as he/she is currently doing to Mr. McClaren….Lex Talionis as the old saying goes. :D

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Re: He should go....

Post by Esox Lucius » Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:35 pm

Montag wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:45 am
Esox Lucius wrote:
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If Les didn't promote him should he have a job for life?
No he should be sentenced to life for employing a selection of crap, incapable managers - Ollie excepted who, statistically was one of our worst ever managers.
Interesting viewpoint except that he hasn't appointed any managers yet.
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Re: He should go....

Post by BiscuitRanger » Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:41 pm

ANDREW1302 wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:47 am
Uxbridge R yes and 10 years studying human behaviour between 1982 and 1992 and running courses during this time for people to understand their and other peoples behavioural signs - easiest of course is crossing arms suggests defence etc etc. Will that do?
But did it work. Did we defend?
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Re: He should go....

Post by ANDREW1302 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:12 pm

Interesting. I wonder how many people prefer Maclaren to Holloway. I am stabbing a guess here but i think Holloway would win hands down.
The stupidity was if you were going to replace Holloway you had to be very sure you were making the right decision. To take on a proven failure as a manager was rather in line with the whole of TFs reign a poor ill considered decision .

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ANDREW1302 wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:12 pm
Interesting. I wonder how many people prefer Maclaren to Holloway. I am stabbing a guess here but i think Holloway would win hands down.
The stupidity was if you were going to replace Holloway you had to be very sure you were making the right decision. To take on a proven failure as a manager was rather in line with the whole of TFs reign a poor ill considered decision .
I'm still puzzled as to why Ian was sacked, but I might have missed a interview, all I can remember is they wanted a manager to take us forward.

Steve McClaren was a strange choice, his coaching credentials were meant to be good, but then so were Chris Ramsey's.
Obviously managing a team is a whole new ball game...I bet there were not many candidates !

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Re: He should go....

Post by Damien » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:40 pm

ANDREW1302 wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:47 am
Uxbridge R yes and 10 years studying human behaviour between 1982 and 1992 and running courses during this time for people to understand their and other peoples behavioural signs - easiest of course is crossing arms suggests defence etc etc. Will that do?
Bravo Sir aniclap

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Re: He should go....

Post by 222gers » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:43 pm

Damien wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:40 pm
ANDREW1302 wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:47 am
Uxbridge R yes and 10 years studying human behaviour between 1982 and 1992 and running courses during this time for people to understand their and other peoples behavioural signs - easiest of course is crossing arms suggests defence etc etc. Will that do?
Bravo Sir aniclap
Standing with arms akimbo, glaring at team mates is another.

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Re: He should go....

Post by Damien » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:51 pm

Wegerle wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:18 am
Although I agree that it can be very frustrating being a QPR supporter sometimes, shouldn't we know by now that we are not a big club that has many successes?
As I have asked before, what exactly do we expect as QPR supporters? I know what we all dream of but what do we realistically expect?
In terms of size, money and history we rank somewhere around 40th place out of 92 professional teams.
That means that we will have our purple patches in the top division every now and then but basically we are a mid-table Championship team in all departments. Why do we then always expect top notch managers and players? Would you join us if you had others choices at higher profile clubs?

I have the same dreams as all QPR supporters but I didn't start supporting QPR because of the rich cup tradition or the title challenges each year. I started supporting QPR because I fell in love with that small, quirky club at W12 that sometimes defies the odds but more often causes a lot of agony.

We can now sack every player and all the staff and then what? Do we get Harry Kane and Kevin de Bruine in return? Can we perhaps lure Guardiola in? Or do we go fishing in the same pond of the lower leagues and premier league rejects again?
We have just come off the back of 4 good matches in which we showed we can play a bit. Lets stay real and not knee jerk too soon. Plenty of time left to start the manager merry go round again.
Yes we've punched above our weight in the past, but being a"smallish" club does not mean you can't expect some relative success(decent football and more wins than losses would be my definition of success for us at the moment).We are simply going backwards with poor managerial appointments, and to my eyes a lot of sub-standard footballers. We are now in the position of being stuck with both as no-one who could move our club forward wants to come here. Oh and the FL have spiteful hamstrung us for God knows how long. Can the "circle be squared" - that is the problem facing us.

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Re: He should go....

Post by Systemsguy » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:13 pm

I haven't bothered reading the thread (it's got that tedious really for me)....

During the albeit short "winning" run.... heads were hiding under the parapet and now gleefully reappear with a few defeats....

Players brought in as an answer to our goal shy strike force are now apparently worse than Conor Washington....


Clive Wittingham is quoted as some sort of mystic tactical paragon as he berates the team, manager and club for failings that I have read a dozen times before over the years...

Methinks it's time to take a rest from reading this board for a few weeks....
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Re: He should go....

Post by Satch » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:47 pm

ANDREW1302 wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:26 pm
Interesting. I wonder how many people orefer Maclaren to Holloway. I am stabbing a guess here but i think Holloway would win hands down.
The stupidity was if you were going to replace Holloway you had to be very sure you were making the right decision. To take on a proven failure as a manager was rather in line with the whole of TFs reign a poor illconsidered decision .
It's not about preferences, just who will get most results. I don't look at Holloway's second spell as being the revisionist success some do. McClaren wouldn't have been my first choice but i'll give him a bit more time, his record isn't quite as appalling as is made out and he is respected as a coach, all though i appreciate we aren't really seeing the fruits of that, i also share the frustration that his appointment doesn't appear to be driven by the long-termist strategy we've been asked to buy into as fans.
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Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:22 am
If he keeps persisting with the selection and tactics then he will continue to lose games heavily and will have to go, preferably by walking out like he did at Nottingham Forest.

I asked in another thread if anyone who wants SMc to stay on can give any positives about his time with us and no-one seems able to. Managerial stability is all well and good but SMc appears to have very little idea on how to utilise the squad of players he has at his disposal, some of which he has clearly written off as not being good enough.

Relegation is a real concern for me this season, especially with the transfer embargo in place.
Relegation has been a concern of mine for some time and continues to be, that isn't unique to SMc

It's not been an enjoyable start to the season. For me the two positives are pulling us out of what could have been a long rut to go on and put a few points on the board and keep 3 clean sheets. We only kept 6 last season, i think and that was with a superior defence. We also got a win and a draw away from home.

I'm well aware the above won't be close to enough for many, i'm certainly not thrilled but it's enough to persevere for the moment and not just for stabilities sake. It's also worth noting that 4 of our defeats have come from teams in the top 7. Obviously, we can't read a huge amount into the table as yet but it already gives a clue to who the better teams are.

Reading look a poor side but have been earning a real reputation for general shithousery this season. McClaren's going to have to get the team motivated and prepared to play them at their own game. He's also going to have to look at his in-game management - that's looked poor (as it was with IH) and gives a clue to why his managerial success doesn't match his reputation as a coach.

As an aside, now he's the manager and the primary topic of conversation, can we get rid of the daft emoticon.

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Re: He should go....

Post by Crabsandwich » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:57 pm

ANDREW1302 wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:47 am
Uxbridge R yes and 10 years studying human behaviour between 1982 and 1992
I'm sure we've all watched a fair amount of porn but I've never heard it described like that before.

And what's this about SMc being a known failure? 99% of managers are failures, unless it's their first job, in which case they are unproven. Someone who made it to the pinnacle of his profession probably deserves a bit more credit, recent performances notwithstanding.

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Re: He should go....

Post by Damien » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:27 pm

Satch wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:47 pm
ANDREW1302 wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:26 pm
Interesting. I wonder how many people orefer Maclaren to Holloway. I am stabbing a guess here but i think Holloway would win hands down.
The stupidity was if you were going to replace Holloway you had to be very sure you were making the right decision. To take on a proven failure as a manager was rather in line with the whole of TFs reign a poor illconsidered decision .
It's not about preferences, just who will get most results. I don't look at Holloway's second spell as being the revisionist success some do. McClaren wouldn't have been my first choice but i'll give him a bit more time, his record isn't quite as appalling as is made out and he is respected as a coach, all though i appreciate we aren't really seeing the fruits of that, i also share the frustration that his appointment doesn't appear to be driven by the long-termist strategy we've been asked to buy into as fans.
White Duck wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:22 am
If he keeps persisting with the selection and tactics then he will continue to lose games heavily and will have to go, preferably by walking out like he did at Nottingham Forest.

I asked in another thread if anyone who wants SMc to stay on can give any positives about his time with us and no-one seems able to. Managerial stability is all well and good but SMc appears to have very little idea on how to utilise the squad of players he has at his disposal, some of which he has clearly written off as not being good enough.

Relegation is a real concern for me this season, especially with the transfer embargo in place.
Relegation has been a concern of mine for some time and continues to be, that isn't unique to SMc

It's not been an enjoyable start to the season. For me the two positives are pulling us out of what could have been a long rut to go on and put a few points on the board and keep 3 clean sheets. We only kept 6 last season, i think and that was with a superior defence. We also got a win and a draw away from home.

I'm well aware the above won't be close to enough for many, i'm certainly not thrilled but it's enough to persevere for the moment and not just for stabilities sake. It's also worth noting that 4 of our defeats have come from teams in the top 7. Obviously, we can't read a huge amount into the table as yet but it already gives a clue to who the better teams are.

Reading look a poor side but have been earning a real reputation for general shithousery this season. McClaren's going to have to get the team motivated and prepared to play them at their own game. He's also going to have to look at his in-game management - that's looked poor (as it was with IH) and gives a clue to why his managerial success doesn't match his reputation as a coach.

As an aside, now he's the manager and the primary topic of conversation, can we get rid of the daft emoticon.
Reading do score though. We go one behind, and game seems to be over at the moment. We would be wise to not underestimate them.

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Re: He should go....

Post by krama » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:49 pm

Crabsandwich wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:57 pm
ANDREW1302 wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:47 am
Uxbridge R yes and 10 years studying human behaviour between 1982 and 1992
I'm sure we've all watched a fair amount of porn but I've never heard it described like that before.

And what's this about SMc being a known failure? 99% of managers are failures, unless it's their first job, in which case they are unproven. Someone who made it to the pinnacle of his profession probably deserves a bit more credit, recent performances notwithstanding.
Exactly this. aniclap

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Re: He should go....

Post by 222gers » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:13 pm

krama wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:49 pm
Crabsandwich wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:57 pm
ANDREW1302 wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:47 am
Uxbridge R yes and 10 years studying human behaviour between 1982 and 1992
I'm sure we've all watched a fair amount of porn but I've never heard it described like that before.

And what's this about SMc being a known failure? 99% of managers are failures, unless it's their first job, in which case they are unproven. Someone who made it to the pinnacle of his profession probably deserves a bit more credit, recent performances notwithstanding.
Exactly this. aniclap
I can't give any credit to a manager/coach that brings in two presumably very highly paid strkers on loan then plays a system that gives them no service, and at Swansea, at 0-3 down, brings on a centre half and finally a wide man with just three minutes to go.

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