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Josh Scowen

Post by Southgate Hoop » Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:29 pm

What did he do this summer? And who is this absolute clown that’s wearing his shirt on the pitch?

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Re: Josh Scowen

Post by Damien » Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:27 pm

I saw him play about a dozen games last season - and couldn't understand what the fuss was about TBH. If he has regressed from that mediocre level... we're in deeper shit than I thought.

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Re: Josh Scowen

Post by n22hoop » Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:36 pm

Damien wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:27 pm
I saw him play about a dozen games last season - and couldn't understand what the fuss was about TBH. If he has regressed from that mediocre level... we're in deeper shit than I thought.
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Re: Josh Scowen

Post by old pauline » Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:42 pm

They are good players, the pair of them. As are many of the other players. The problem is confidence. That is all. I don't think we should be pointing the finger at Scowen, that's for sure.
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Re: Josh Scowen

Post by Devonranger » Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:48 pm

Think it is the system and the manager needs to look at his players and see how to get the best out of them.

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Re: Josh Scowen

Post by Damien » Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:56 pm

What if this is the best that he or any other manager can get out of them? We have had poor players for so long that bog average players like Scowen and Luongo are just "waiting for the right manager". How long do they need before we see them really put their mark on a game. The rest of the squad need to have a long hard look at themselves as well. The only caveat I will give those who blame the manager, is the appalling body language of the players (this from someone I know who has seen all four defeats).That is big worry, and will cost McClaren his job.

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Re: Josh Scowen

Post by redinjun » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:19 pm

At least we have a young combative midfielder waiting in the wings, oh hang on...

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Re: Josh Scowen

Post by White Duck » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:41 pm

Scowen was incredibly poor tonight but did well last season IMO. His confidence is clearly low and it's affecting his play and decision making.

I think you could say that about ALL of the midfield at the moment.
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Re: Josh Scowen

Post by Rbee » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:44 pm

redinjun wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:19 pm
At least we have a young combative midfielder waiting in the wings, oh hang on...
That decision could have been a financial one but I doubt it. Ryan does need games but I think Luongo could have had a longer break. He didn't play in Russia but trained and stayed match fit and then enjoyed two or three weeks off. Not enough bearing in mind a tough Championship season and numerous flights around the world to join the Aussie squad.

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Re: Josh Scowen

Post by UxbridgeR » Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:56 am

White Duck wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:41 pm
Scowen was incredibly poor tonight but did well last season IMO. His confidence is clearly low and it's affecting his play and decision making.

I think you could say that about ALL of the midfield at the moment.
Exactly. It happens to the best of players. Scowen and Loungo were consistently good for us last season. It's amazing how quickly people forget that.
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Re: Josh Scowen

Post by W12Allstars » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:21 am

Rbee wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:44 pm
redinjun wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:19 pm
At least we have a young combative midfielder waiting in the wings, oh hang on...
That decision could have been a financial one but I doubt it. Ryan does need games but I think Luongo could have had a longer break. He didn't play in Russia but trained and stayed match fit and then enjoyed two or three weeks off. Not enough bearing in mind a tough Championship season and numerous flights around the world to join the Aussie squad.
I'd agree with that, Luongo is a very decent player, but at the moment seems some way off where he can be. I'd imagine going to the world cup may have raised his expectations somewhat, and coming back into this shitstorm won't be what he'd have been dreaming of doing whilst over in Russia!

However, we're going to need him and Scowen and everyone else to turn this around, which as it starts to gain negative momentum is going to get harder and harder so singling players out isn't going to help.

That midfield may not be the best in the league, but it was certainly good enough last season so should be enough this season too. Over to you Steve.
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Re: Josh Scowen

Post by ZENITH R » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:56 am

W12Allstars wrote:
Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:21 am
Rbee wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:44 pm
redinjun wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:19 pm
At least we have a young combative midfielder waiting in the wings, oh hang on...
That decision could have been a financial one but I doubt it. Ryan does need games but I think Luongo could have had a longer break. He didn't play in Russia but trained and stayed match fit and then enjoyed two or three weeks off. Not enough bearing in mind a tough Championship season and numerous flights around the world to join the Aussie squad.
I'd agree with that, Luongo is a very decent player, but at the moment seems some way off where he can be. I'd imagine going to the world cup may have raised his expectations somewhat, and coming back into this shitstorm won't be what he'd have been dreaming of doing whilst over in Russia!

However, we're going to need him and Scowen and everyone else to turn this around, which as it starts to gain negative momentum is going to get harder and harder so singling players out isn't going to help.

That midfield may not be the best in the league, but it was certainly good enough last season so should be enough this season too. Over to you Steve.
Sitting on the bench for the entire competition wouldn't have done him any good. I think his confidence took a battering, and it is being smashed now he's returned.
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Re: Josh Scowen

Post by Damien » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:36 am

UxbridgeR wrote:
Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:56 am
White Duck wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:41 pm
Scowen was incredibly poor tonight but did well last season IMO. His confidence is clearly low and it's affecting his play and decision making.

I think you could say that about ALL of the midfield at the moment.
Exactly. It happens to the best of players. Scowen and Loungo were consistently good for us last season. It's amazing how quickly people forget that.
They had as many very average games and poor ones as good ones. They are better than they are showing at the moment - but let's not big them up into something they plainly aren't. Even though we obviously have problems at the back and up-front, our mid-field issues(not being able to stamp some control on a game) - has been going on for a long time now. I'm of the opinion that if you get the middle right , the other two ends should improve as well. But then I will happily admit football tactics ain't my strong suit. It was a simple game when I started watching Rangers - so even I could work it out when it went pear-shaped. Modern football just leaves me confused.
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Re: Josh Scowen

Post by Satch » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:10 pm

UxbridgeR wrote:
Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:56 am
White Duck wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:41 pm
Scowen was incredibly poor tonight but did well last season IMO. His confidence is clearly low and it's affecting his play and decision making.

I think you could say that about ALL of the midfield at the moment.
Exactly. It happens to the best of players. Scowen and Loungo were consistently good for us last season. It's amazing how quickly people forget that.
I actually thought Scowen tailed off in the last quarter of last season and that's continued. He made a huge difference when he came in and we really need that player back, his role both positionally and as a character is going to be vital to us if we're to turn things around.

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Re: Josh Scowen

Post by Mr Beef » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:55 pm

Damien wrote:
Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:36 am
UxbridgeR wrote:
Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:56 am
White Duck wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:41 pm
Scowen was incredibly poor tonight but did well last season IMO. His confidence is clearly low and it's affecting his play and decision making.

I think you could say that about ALL of the midfield at the moment.
Exactly. It happens to the best of players. Scowen and Loungo were consistently good for us last season. It's amazing how quickly people forget that.
They had as many very average games and poor ones as good ones. They are better than they are showing at the moment - but let's not big them up into something they plainly aren't.
I don't think that anyone is. Most championship players have many average and many poor games, it's why they're playing in the championship. Luongo and Scowen aren't world beaters, but they're among our better players, and if we can't accept their flaws I'd say that we probably have a very unrealistic expectation of the kind of player that we can attract these days.

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