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What's your opinion on Ian Hollway being sacked?

Poll ended at Thu May 17, 2018 5:10 pm

1. Happy
16
24%
2. Unhappy
49
72%
3. Don't Care
3
4%
 
Total votes: 68

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Re: Holloway Sacked Poll!

Post by westlondonlalala » Fri May 11, 2018 9:24 am

QPR-NI wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 8:34 am
westlondonlalala wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 8:05 am
QPR-NI wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 7:20 am
Stability that appeared to be leading to a steady improvement in performances ditched in favour of another roll of the dice.


Wayne Rooney's for sale.
The only person rolling the dice was Ollie with his erratic team selection week in week out.

We lost 5 from our last 8, we won 3 from 23 away all season, not sure I agree with your stability statement.
So you are saying that whatever changes the board make this time are guaranteed to improve things on the pitch.

That's a bold prediction.

Are we getting Warnock back?
Did I say that NO I didn’t I’m just saying the bar has hardly been set high by Ollie has it.

Stayed up by the skin of our teeth in his first season & flirted with it for most of this season.

Just don’t agree with your statement that he brought stability, he couldn’t tell you his best xi now & that’s after a 46 game season.

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Re: Holloway Sacked Poll!

Post by Endeavour Ranger » Fri May 11, 2018 9:48 am

I'm very disappointed and sad to see Holloway go (again).

With no emotion in it I think he came in when we were in a bad spot; steadied the ship while also working within financial restrictions; and had the team and players showing improvement in the season just ended from the year before. For me that would have been enough to give him another year, but I respect that others might think differently.

I think Steve McClaren is a nice bloke and an excellent coach, but for me his track record shows he falls down in the top job as manager. I think its a poor decision to give him another chance in a top job, but we will see if it is him an dhow he goes. It might be that those running the club want to move away from the traditional manager figure to having a more interchangeable head coach in a strong framework, but my assessment would be that we are a long way from having the infrastructure to be able to do that - especially given our current financial restrictions.

I would also add that I don't think McClaren is a good enough option to sack Holloway for: if the club were not convinced by Holloway in the long term I would have given him next season and then not renewed his contract. I am convinced Holloway would have kept us up next season, and with what we've got I'm not sure any manager would get us in the play-offs: so why cause all the upheaval?

We all have different opinions on managers, and will like some and not others; but in the period that Tony Fernandes and Ruben Gnanalingam have had the controlling interest at QPR (the Mittals have a minority stake so I think it's fair to say are not going to have the final say in decisions, although they might have input) we have gone through:

  • Neil Warnock - the manager who has won more EFL promotions than any other
  • Mark Hughes - however many hundred EPL games managed with several years of international coaching experience
  • Harry Redknapp - years of experience, multiple promotions and an FA Cup win
  • Chris Ramsay - highly respected coach with lots of experience
  • Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink - when we appointed him one of the most well considered young coaches in the game
  • Ian Holloway - has achieved three promotions in the past, a specialist on operating with limited resources and knows the club inside out

Of those I think Redknapp is the only manager we could say might have been at the end of his career when he left us (but never say never); and both Warnock and Hughes have left us to be very successful. Ramsay might not take a manager's job again, but is still considered an excellent coach.

For me the fact that the TF/RG Board has not been able to make it work with a manager for any period of time having had access to that pool of talent/experience says the problem is more with them than the manager (and at least one of the managers listed above I detest). If we appoint a coach with a League Cup win, a Dutch title win and several year international coaching experience and it still does not work, then I would suggest they are out of excuses. Personally I already have no faith in them, but that is only my assessment.

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Re: Holloway Sacked Poll!

Post by Systemsguy » Fri May 11, 2018 9:59 am

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Fri May 11, 2018 9:48 am
and both Warnock and Hughes have left us to be very successful.
I quite enjoyed reading this until I read Hughes left us to be very successful!

Relegated Stoke (eventually...) They stupidly allowed him access to the cheque book and let him spend 30 million on Saido Berahino and Kevin Wimmer and looks likely he's just scraped Saints up to safety (sound familar.... relegation? not on my watch!)....

Wonder if Saints will trust him with the cheque book this summer?
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Re: Holloway Sacked Poll!

Post by ActonArthur » Fri May 11, 2018 10:35 am

don't usually get that angry about things QPR but this one is a joke and we deserve to struggle next season. It wouldn't be so bad if we were getting a progressive up and coming manager who will surely take the club forward. However, it appears McLaren coming in and I question why he is better than Holloway anyhow. The twitter fans will be on his back after two minutes like every other manager we get. ho-hum

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Re: Holloway Sacked Poll!

Post by QPR-NI » Fri May 11, 2018 10:55 am

westlondonlalala wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 9:24 am
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Fri May 11, 2018 8:34 am
westlondonlalala wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 8:05 am


The only person rolling the dice was Ollie with his erratic team selection week in week out.

We lost 5 from our last 8, we won 3 from 23 away all season, not sure I agree with your stability statement.
So you are saying that whatever changes the board make this time are guaranteed to improve things on the pitch.

That's a bold prediction.

Are we getting Warnock back?
Did I say that NO I didn’t I’m just saying the bar has hardly been set high by Ollie has it.

Stayed up by the skin of our teeth in his first season & flirted with it for most of this season.

Just don’t agree with your statement that he brought stability, he couldn’t tell you his best xi now & that’s after a 46 game season.
You said that changing the manager isn't rolling the dice thus implying that whoever comes in will be better than Holloway.

Experience would say it's a gamble. " investments can go down as well as up".

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Re: Holloway Sacked Poll!

Post by UxbridgeR » Fri May 11, 2018 11:03 am

Systemsguy wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 9:59 am
Endeavour Ranger wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 9:48 am
and both Warnock and Hughes have left us to be very successful.
I quite enjoyed reading this until I read Hughes left us to be very successful!

Relegated Stoke (eventually...) They stupidly allowed him access to the cheque book and let him spend 30 million on Saido Berahino and Kevin Wimmer and looks likely he's just scraped Saints up to safety (sound familar.... relegation? not on my watch!)....

Wonder if Saints will trust him with the cheque book this summer?
Or alternatively.....4 and a half years at Stoke, during which time he changed the playing style from Pulis' ugly one-dimensional football, while delivering 3 top ten finishes and 13th place last season. Yes, it went badly wrong this year, but very few manage to remain in charge of PL clubs for that length of time. You may hate him, but he is a proven PL manager.
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Re: Holloway Sacked Poll!

Post by White Duck » Fri May 11, 2018 11:23 am

UxbridgeR wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 11:03 am
Systemsguy wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 9:59 am
Endeavour Ranger wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 9:48 am
and both Warnock and Hughes have left us to be very successful.
I quite enjoyed reading this until I read Hughes left us to be very successful!

Relegated Stoke (eventually...) They stupidly allowed him access to the cheque book and let him spend 30 million on Saido Berahino and Kevin Wimmer and looks likely he's just scraped Saints up to safety (sound familar.... relegation? not on my watch!)....

Wonder if Saints will trust him with the cheque book this summer?
Or alternatively.....4 and a half years at Stoke, during which time he changed the playing style from Pulis' ugly one-dimensional football, while delivering 3 top ten finishes and 13th place last season. Yes, it went badly wrong this year, but very few manage to remain in charge of PL clubs for that length of time. You may hate him, but he is a proven PL manager.
Hughes has ruined Stoke eventually with a large number of disastrous signings who haven't contributed on the pitch and clearly destroyed team spirit and morale off it. I doubt you could find a single Stoke fan who would thank him for his time at the club.

The Southampton team he inherited has some quality players in it and were clearly underperforming: if Saints allow him to 'rebuild' the team with his own signings they will be screwed. He will get sacked midway through the season allowing someone else to take them down thus maintaining his proud record of never having been relegated as a player or a manager.
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Re: Holloway Sacked Poll!

Post by Spencer » Fri May 11, 2018 12:18 pm

I thought the majority of fans on here were not big fans of Ollie and wanted him out.
The club statement on the official sites basically is saying....plenty of enthusiasm/drive/ passion but looking to the next step ? Sounds a lot like the comments made to a certain player we released Jamie Mackie ! Runs around a lot, gives 100 per cent...

I think Ollie did the best he could with the abilities he had....Oh...heart on his sleeve, ....what you see is what you get..forgot those two sayings.

Took Blackpool up...down..playoffs
Took Palace up
Millwall

Reading some bits and pieces..it appears that he never seemed to see eye to eye with his employers.
His win % is the best now since his Blackpool days.

After leaving us in 2006.. 3 years was his best stint in management, Blackpool again.

I Have no idea what the above means...but if he keeps leaving, he keeps getting paid off.
I don't feel sorry for him, think they could have let him see out his contract, but the club wants to move up a gear.

No overpaid players / youngsters coming through etc etc.

Feel for the manager coming in....when/if he loses his first 2-3 games.

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Re: Holloway Sacked Poll!

Post by Esox Lucius » Fri May 11, 2018 12:23 pm

ActonArthur wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 10:35 am
don't usually get that angry about things QPR but this one is a joke and we deserve to struggle next season. It wouldn't be so bad if we were getting a progressive up and coming manager who will surely take the club forward. However, it appears McLaren coming in and I question why he is better than Holloway anyhow. The twitter fans will be on his back after two minutes like every other manager we get. ho-hum
Really? just because you have had your nose put out of joint? Just turn up and support the team and leave the running of the club to those paid to do so. People are writing SM off before the ink has dried on his contract FFS. If,as rumoured, we are getting Lee Carsley too I would say we are in a much better position to advance the players and ergo, the club. Whether he is called the manager or the head coach won't really be an issue as it will still be the backroom team holding the financial purse strings who decide who we sign etc. SM did very well for us when he coached here before and, as a result of his appearances at games as a guest of the club, I imagine he has been made very aware of what the club will expect of him in his new role which bodes well in a coaching role. Let's see where we are at the end of next season before writing him off as a disaster.
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Re: Holloway Sacked Poll!

Post by stainrod's elbow » Fri May 11, 2018 1:38 pm

Esox Lucius wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 12:23 pm
ActonArthur wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 10:35 am
don't usually get that angry about things QPR but this one is a joke and we deserve to struggle next season. It wouldn't be so bad if we were getting a progressive up and coming manager who will surely take the club forward. However, it appears McLaren coming in and I question why he is better than Holloway anyhow. The twitter fans will be on his back after two minutes like every other manager we get. ho-hum
Really? just because you have had your nose put out of joint? Just turn up and support the team and leave the running of the club to those paid to do so. People are writing SM off before the ink has dried on his contract FFS. If,as rumoured, we are getting Lee Carsley too I would say we are in a much better position to advance the players and ergo, the club. Whether he is called the manager or the head coach won't really be an issue as it will still be the backroom team holding the financial purse strings who decide who we sign etc. SM did very well for us when he coached here before and, as a result of his appearances at games as a guest of the club, I imagine he has been made very aware of what the club will expect of him in his new role which bodes well in a coaching role. Let's see where we are at the end of next season before writing him off as a disaster.
Sorry, Esox, but I respectfully find your reply to Acton Arthur a pile of ordure. So you're seriously saying that, as a fan, I have no right to even to take an interest in the machinations at my club? What tosh! It's just a dismal recipe for putting your faith (dubious at best in this case) in Tony & Co's avuncular paternalism - to mix genealogical metaphors. I tend to agree with him (AA, not Tony), and it's not because of a disjointed nose. We reap as we sow, and the merry-go-round of good, bad and indifferent managers at QPR, even by the surreal 'hire and fire' climate of modern football, is fast becoming a fiasco. What infuriates me is that the people behind the scenes never once appear to question their own positions, or have them questioned.

I don't want McClaren as manager, full stop, and I gather I'm hardly alone.
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Re: Holloway Sacked Poll!

Post by Esox Lucius » Fri May 11, 2018 1:49 pm

So you think we deserve to do badly next season? that's what I took umbrage at. I want Chelsea to do badly next season, not my own club, that is an unjustifiable stance IMO.
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Post by stainrod's elbow » Fri May 11, 2018 2:18 pm

Esox Lucius wrote:
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So you think we deserve to do badly next season? that's what I took umbrage at. I want Chelsea to do badly next season, not my own club, that is an unjustifiable stance IMO.
He didn't say he wanted us to do badly, he said we deserved to (probably through gritted teeth). I understand where he's coming from. If the board had only a qualified admiration for IH, and just saw him as a popular man to steady the ship and inject some passion, they should only have offered him a two year contract. As it is, Fernandes, Hoos and the other untouchables at the club look both stupid and callous, as well as costing the club money (at least a few hundred grand, presumably) Hoos makes it his mission to tell us we don't have. Whatever Ollie's qualities and/or limitations as a manager, and I certainly had some concerns, I'd say him and us have been stitched up good and proper.

Also, and unless I'm missing something, Steve McClaren hasn't actually been appointed yet, correct - he's just 'in the frame'. (Perhaps he'll turn us down, and we'll lurch even deeper into absurdity, though I'm sure the sensible and sensitive board were nice enough to Ian to tap him up first to cover their own sorry arses.)
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Post by Spencer » Fri May 11, 2018 2:41 pm

stainrod's elbow wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 1:38 pm
Esox Lucius wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 12:23 pm
ActonArthur wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 10:35 am
don't usually get that angry about things QPR but this one is a joke and we deserve to struggle next season. It wouldn't be so bad if we were getting a progressive up and coming manager who will surely take the club forward. However, it appears McLaren coming in and I question why he is better than Holloway anyhow. The twitter fans will be on his back after two minutes like every other manager we get. ho-hum
Really? just because you have had your nose put out of joint? Just turn up and support the team and leave the running of the club to those paid to do so. People are writing SM off before the ink has dried on his contract FFS. If,as rumoured, we are getting Lee Carsley too I would say we are in a much better position to advance the players and ergo, the club. Whether he is called the manager or the head coach won't really be an issue as it will still be the backroom team holding the financial purse strings who decide who we sign etc. SM did very well for us when he coached here before and, as a result of his appearances at games as a guest of the club, I imagine he has been made very aware of what the club will expect of him in his new role which bodes well in a coaching role. Let's see where we are at the end of next season before writing him off as a disaster.
Sorry, Esox, but I respectfully find your reply to Acton Arthur a pile of ordure. So you're seriously saying that, as a fan, I have no right to even to take an interest in the machinations at my club? What tosh! It's just a dismal recipe for putting your faith (dubious at best in this case) in Tony & Co's avuncular paternalism - to mix genealogical metaphors. I tend to agree with him (AA, not Tony), and it's not because of a disjointed nose. We reap as we sow, and the merry-go-round of good, bad and indifferent managers at QPR, even by the surreal 'hire and fire' climate of modern football, is fast becoming a fiasco. What infuriates me is that the people behind the scenes never once appear to question their own positions, or have them questioned.

I don't want McClaren as manager, full stop, and I gather I'm hardly alone.
I don't really care what the twitter fans think. You say Steve McLaren is not the answer, other feels the same about Ollie.
As fans, all we can do is turn up watch the club and support what is put in front of us.

Bottom line - clubs don't give a s..t about what fans think (IMO)....Ollie was not better. Slagged paying fans for walking out...praised them the following week.
We could protest...but that doesn't get you anywhere these days....

As for Ollie ? Gets a good pay off for doing an Ok job...Next manager in? Young progressive ? Who ? Fans will slaughter who ever takes over....Fans were slaughtering Ollie last month.

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Post by Esox Lucius » Fri May 11, 2018 2:54 pm

Spot on Spencer. There seems to be an awful lot of anti Holloway fans now jumping on the anti QPR board bandwagon, it does make you wonder what their motives really are. I think the SM appointment may have legs as he has coached us before, speaks as though he was already one of us in televised matches last season and has been a guest of the club at a number of games. Could all be 2+2 = 5 but (hopefully) an imminent statement from the club should clear it up. As fans, all we can do is turn up and support QPR at games and hope that the men with the money will get it right.
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Re: Holloway Sacked Poll!

Post by stainrod's elbow » Fri May 11, 2018 3:00 pm

Why do the philistines on this board persist in reducing everything to money? It's especially inappropriate in Holloway's case, I'd suggest. I'm not saying he won't have been handsomely rewarded in his ludicrously over-inflated industry, but I bet he wasn't on top dollar at Loftus Road and seriously think he'd have done the job for next to nothing anyway.

It doesn't matter what you're paid/not paid in any event - in view of his commitment, hard work, and some very decent (if maddeningly inconsistent) performances, the way he's been treated is shocking in my view, and the bile of the fans should rightfully descend on the owners'/directors' heads - especially if we don't perform next season.
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