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Re: Robinson

Post by Montag » Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:39 pm

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Nice of him to take this line after we paid his wages for the extended periods he was injured and on the sidelines.
Yes exactly. It's arguable that he would still be a league footballer at all if we hadn't stretchered him away from scouseland. But let's not pre-judge him yet. If he goes to pastures greener, he won't be the first to throw support and kindness in the clubs face. I can think of two far worse cases. One very recent.
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Re: Robinson

Post by Satch » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:10 pm

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Nice of him to take this line after we paid his wages for the extended periods he was injured and on the sidelines.
How did he get injured?

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Re: Robinson

Post by Greyhound » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:57 pm

I think he originally got injured during a game when on loan at HTFC.

He has been one of the successes of the season for me, a proper 'cultured' centre back of the old school. But if he is going to engineer a free transfer wage bonanza, I will be glad to rise to my feet on some future occasion when he returns to LR and present him with my own version of 'bad show, that man.'

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Re: Robinson

Post by Satch » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:45 am

That's my point, he got injured playing football whilst on a loan we sent him on. If he'd never recovered as looked likely, would we have given him a job for life and a lump sum of compensation?

As lovely as it would be for him to decide he owes us one, i don't really think he does. I'd love to keep him but the suggestion is he'd need to take a wage cut which i think is a bit much to expect him to do, especially given how close he was to losing his career. It's a real shame though. Even more concerning, at this rate we could be looking at a Baptiste and Lynch pairing next season with Perch as cover, if Chief and Robinson go and Hall doesn't recover. (I appreciate we'd probably bring someone in but without any incoming fees there isn't much to spend)

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Re: Robinson

Post by SM » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:47 am

Robinson would be a great signing for Shef United, and exactly the type of player that they seem to go for.

For all of our faults over recent years with contracts etc, I won’t be pointing the finger at anyone if he leaves. The club were between a rock and a hard place with this one.

Sad to say, but I really can’t see him being at QPR next season.
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Re: Robinson

Post by stainrod's elbow » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:53 am

If the club makes him a decent offer (and they should imo), I presume he'll consider it. As he tells it, they haven't (yet). Don't understand why some posters here are getting their vitriol in early, when he's in the same position as any of us sizing up his working options.
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Re: Robinson

Post by Bear-Grills » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:00 am

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If the club makes him a decent offer (and they should imo), I presume he'll consider it. As he tells it, they haven't (yet). Don't understand why some posters here are getting their vitriol in early, when he's in the same position as any of us sizing up his working options.
It's probably not him specifically, but I think the support is a bit fed up with paying out wages to people who don't play for extended periods of time, and then they depart having given us little for our investment. And I'm not saying it's their fault, or that they aren't entitled to leave or that they owe us anything "morally", but perceptions are hard to shift (and not always wrong)
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Re: Robinson

Post by SheepRanger » Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:11 pm

Bear-Grills wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:00 am
stainrod's elbow wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:53 am
If the club makes him a decent offer (and they should imo), I presume he'll consider it. As he tells it, they haven't (yet). Don't understand why some posters here are getting their vitriol in early, when he's in the same position as any of us sizing up his working options.
It's probably not him specifically, but I think the support is a bit fed up with paying out wages to people who don't play for extended periods of time, and then they depart having given us little for our investment. And I'm not saying it's their fault, or that they aren't entitled to leave or that they owe us anything "morally", but perceptions are hard to shift (and not always wrong)
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Re: Robinson

Post by 222gers » Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:28 pm

The problem is that we do indeed have a perception of footballers as overpaid, cossetted, selfish and often very unpleasant individuals and we are given very little to counter this perception. I suppose society has changed, but when I started to follow the Rangers, men like Tony Ingham and George Petchey were seen as hundredpercenters and decent blokes whose only interest was to do their best for the team. OK, much less media attention then so perhaps our perceptions were wrong but somehow I think we were probably right.

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Re: Robinson

Post by Esox Lucius » Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:48 pm

Does anyone who goes to matches think that Robinson isn't giving 100% and not trying to do his level best for the team? From my experience he is a long, long way from phoning it in during a game. Criticising him for not playing whilst injured beggars belief; I imagine the same people would be criticising the manager if he had attempted that... in fact they are the same people that like to find fault in just about any aspect of the affairs of Queens Park Rangers full stop. Loyal supporters who only want what's best for the club donchaknow.
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Re: Robinson

Post by Satch » Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:24 pm

222gers wrote:
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The problem is that we do indeed have a perception of footballers as overpaid, cossetted, selfish and often very unpleasant individuals and we are given very little to counter this perception. I suppose society has changed, but when I started to follow the Rangers, men like Tony Ingham and George Petchey were seen as hundredpercenters and decent blokes whose only interest was to do their best for the team. OK, much less media attention then so perhaps our perceptions were wrong but somehow I think we were probably right.
What has Jack Robinson done to give that impression, other than: to join us when surplus to requirements at Liverpool, go out on loan without complaint, battle back from injury several times, speak openly and eloquently about the emotional difficulties of being out injured. Earn a place in the side, supposedly in a weaker positon, become one of the first names on the team sheet, captain the side (i recall?) and give 100% - something i think has rubbed off on other players.

I'll be gutted to lose him if we do and i won't be giving him a nice little clap when his name is read out but if he wants to earn more money, in a side with greater potential, then i can't knock that for a second. Market forces have dictated what players are paid, it would be unreasonable to expect them to earn less than their value, just because we'd happily pay subs to pull on a QPR shirt.

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Re: Robinson

Post by 222gers » Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:59 pm

Satch wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:24 pm
222gers wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:28 pm
The problem is that we do indeed have a perception of footballers as overpaid, cossetted, selfish and often very unpleasant individuals and we are given very little to counter this perception. I suppose society has changed, but when I started to follow the Rangers, men like Tony Ingham and George Petchey were seen as hundredpercenters and decent blokes whose only interest was to do their best for the team. OK, much less media attention then so perhaps our perceptions were wrong but somehow I think we were probably right.
What has Jack Robinson done to give that impression, other than: to join us when surplus to requirements at Liverpool, go out on loan without complaint, battle back from injury several times, speak openly and eloquently about the emotional difficulties of being out injured. Earn a place in the side, supposedly in a weaker positon, become one of the first names on the team sheet, captain the side (i recall?) and give 100% - something i think has rubbed off on other players.

I'll be gutted to lose him if we do and i won't be giving him a nice little clap when his name is read out but if he wants to earn more money, in a side with greater potential, then i can't knock that for a second. Market forces have dictated what players are paid, it would be unreasonable to expect them to earn less than their value, just because we'd happily pay subs to pull on a QPR shirt.
Indeed. My comments were about footballers in general but some have levelled this critiscism at Robinson. It looks like we will lose him at the end of the season and matbe Ned too. Some have asked us to posite the pairing of Baps and Lynch at CBs next season - not a nice thought especially is we lose Hall as well. I'm told Kakay may well breaknthrough soon.

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Re: Robinson

Post by Satch » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:37 pm

222gers wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:59 pm
Satch wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:24 pm
222gers wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:28 pm
The problem is that we do indeed have a perception of footballers as overpaid, cossetted, selfish and often very unpleasant individuals and we are given very little to counter this perception. I suppose society has changed, but when I started to follow the Rangers, men like Tony Ingham and George Petchey were seen as hundredpercenters and decent blokes whose only interest was to do their best for the team. OK, much less media attention then so perhaps our perceptions were wrong but somehow I think we were probably right.
What has Jack Robinson done to give that impression, other than: to join us when surplus to requirements at Liverpool, go out on loan without complaint, battle back from injury several times, speak openly and eloquently about the emotional difficulties of being out injured. Earn a place in the side, supposedly in a weaker positon, become one of the first names on the team sheet, captain the side (i recall?) and give 100% - something i think has rubbed off on other players.

I'll be gutted to lose him if we do and i won't be giving him a nice little clap when his name is read out but if he wants to earn more money, in a side with greater potential, then i can't knock that for a second. Market forces have dictated what players are paid, it would be unreasonable to expect them to earn less than their value, just because we'd happily pay subs to pull on a QPR shirt.
Indeed. My comments were about footballers in general but some have levelled this critiscism at Robinson. It looks like we will lose him at the end of the season and matbe Ned too. Some have asked us to posite the pairing of Baps and Lynch at CBs next season - not a nice thought especially is we lose Hall as well. I'm told Kakay may well breaknthrough soon.
I think it was me that suggested the doomsday scenario. Kakay is a RB i think, fairly attacking one at that. I think Phillips and Finney were the two U23s there was some hope for but given neither even got on the bench during the worst of our injury woes, i'm not getting my hopes up.

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Re: Robinson

Post by dm » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:06 pm

Satch wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:37 pm
222gers wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:59 pm
Satch wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:24 pm


What has Jack Robinson done to give that impression, other than: to join us when surplus to requirements at Liverpool, go out on loan without complaint, battle back from injury several times, speak openly and eloquently about the emotional difficulties of being out injured. Earn a place in the side, supposedly in a weaker positon, become one of the first names on the team sheet, captain the side (i recall?) and give 100% - something i think has rubbed off on other players.

I'll be gutted to lose him if we do and i won't be giving him a nice little clap when his name is read out but if he wants to earn more money, in a side with greater potential, then i can't knock that for a second. Market forces have dictated what players are paid, it would be unreasonable to expect them to earn less than their value, just because we'd happily pay subs to pull on a QPR shirt.
Indeed. My comments were about footballers in general but some have levelled this critiscism at Robinson. It looks like we will lose him at the end of the season and matbe Ned too. Some have asked us to posite the pairing of Baps and Lynch at CBs next season - not a nice thought especially is we lose Hall as well. I'm told Kakay may well breaknthrough soon.
I think it was me that suggested the doomsday scenario. Kakay is a RB i think, fairly attacking one at that. I think Phillips and Finney were the two U23s there was some hope for but given neither even got on the bench during the worst of our injury woes, i'm not getting my hopes up.
Finney's been on loan at Maidstone Utd for much for the season. Phillips is still just 19 so let's give him a bit more time to develop.

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Re: Robinson

Post by Monkey » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:38 am

stainrod's elbow wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:53 am
If the club makes him a decent offer (and they should imo), I presume he'll consider it. As he tells it, they haven't (yet). Don't understand why some posters here are getting their vitriol in early, when he's in the same position as any of us sizing up his working options.
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