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I wonder

Post by ANDREW1302 » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:29 am

IH seems to be great when things are going well but a couple of setbacks and he seems to lose it. He changes formations, blames the players and if i was reading his comments as a player they would drain me rather than inspire me. He has a habit of going on long losing runs and i wonder if this is because he is too emotional. He should take a deep breath go back to what was working and probably get some tactician in. This is all reflected on this board where people fly from one extreme to the other and i wonder if this is just us responding to the emotion of the man. Keep Calm should be pinned around his neck. Every front has a back. If you are good at inspiring you are probably good at uninspiring and this could be IH issue.

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Re: I wonder

Post by Northolt_Rs » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:37 am

Or....he could just be a really poor manager as his last few stints indicate? Let’s face it, after this job he’ll never get another manager role willl he? That tells you everything you need to know. Same applies for our beloved DOF. The club is riddled with incompetents....

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Re: I wonder

Post by Rbee » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:07 am

Northolt_Rs wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:37 am
Or....he could just be a really poor manager as his last few stints indicate? Let’s face it, after this job he’ll never get another manager role willl he? That tells you everything you need to know. Same applies for our beloved DOF. The club is riddled with incompetents....
If Ollie was as bad a manager as you suggest there are enough ex pros around the club who would make the owners aware and to suggest this is Ollie’s last ever managerial post is ridiculous Northolt. Last in The Championship possibly but ever?

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Re: I wonder

Post by UxbridgeR » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:28 am

Northolt_Rs wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:37 am
Or....he could just be a really poor manager as his last few stints indicate? Let’s face it, after this job he’ll never get another manager role willl he? That tells you everything you need to know. Same applies for our beloved DOF. The club is riddled with incompetents....
He failed pretty miserably at Millwall in his second season after doing well in the first. Won promotion in his two previous managerial roles. He's had his ups and downs, but show me a manager who hasn't over more than 20 years in the job.

I'm hardly his biggest fan, and his record since he came back is OK at best, but sacking another manager in November when we're nowhere near the relegation zone seems pointless to me.

Who would you suggest we get to replace him at a club with a £40M+ potential fine hanging over its head and very little money to work with ?
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Re: I wonder

Post by Dollis Hoop » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:58 am

There comes a point in many managers' careers when they start to make weird decisions: picking players who plainly don't deserve to be picked, playing people out of position, making inexplicable substitutions, making things more complicated than they need to be. I'm afraid to say that Ollie has reached that stage.

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Re: I wonder

Post by UxbridgeR » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:33 am

Dollis Hoop wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:58 am
There comes a point in many managers' careers when they start to make weird decisions: picking players who plainly don't deserve to be picked, playing people out of position, making inexplicable substitutions, making things more complicated than they need to be. I'm afraid to say that Ollie has reached that stage.
It's almost all subjective though. I'm sure he could make an argument for his team selection and substitutions in any game, but plenty will disagree with his choices. As for playing people "out of position" and making things more complicated than they need to be, it's the modern way. The perceived need to be able to change tactics and formations during a game means players have to be more adaptable. Being a "specialist" right-back or winger is a luxury that can no longer be afforded. As far as I can see, the vast majority of coaches / managers operate that way nowadays.
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Re: I wonder

Post by ZENITH R » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:08 am

Dollis Hoop wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:58 am
There comes a point in many managers' careers when they start to make weird decisions: picking players who plainly don't deserve to be picked, playing people out of position, making inexplicable substitutions, making things more complicated than they need to be. I'm afraid to say that Ollie has reached that stage.
To be fair ... he reached that stage last time he was manager and that was over 10 years ago.

Anyone remember Georges Santos playing as a centre forward?
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Re: I wonder

Post by Nodge70 » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:00 pm

ZENITH R wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:08 am
Dollis Hoop wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:58 am
There comes a point in many managers' careers when they start to make weird decisions: picking players who plainly don't deserve to be picked, playing people out of position, making inexplicable substitutions, making things more complicated than they need to be. I'm afraid to say that Ollie has reached that stage.
To be fair ... he reached that stage last time he was manager and that was over 10 years ago.

Anyone remember Georges Santos playing as a centre forward?
Remember him scoring a screamer against Leicester!

But was playing centre back that day

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Re: I wonder

Post by Dollis Hoop » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:21 pm

UxbridgeR wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:33 am
Dollis Hoop wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:58 am
There comes a point in many managers' careers when they start to make weird decisions: picking players who plainly don't deserve to be picked, playing people out of position, making inexplicable substitutions, making things more complicated than they need to be. I'm afraid to say that Ollie has reached that stage.
It's almost all subjective though. I'm sure he could make an argument for his team selection and substitutions in any game, but plenty will disagree with his choices. As for playing people "out of position" and making things more complicated than they need to be, it's the modern way. The perceived need to be able to change tactics and formations during a game means players have to be more adaptable. Being a "specialist" right-back or winger is a luxury that can no longer be afforded. As far as I can see, the vast majority of coaches / managers operate that way nowadays.
It's fine if you're Barcelona or Man City. But we're dealing with Championship players here.

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Re: I wonder

Post by Rbee » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:58 pm

People are assuming that team selection and tactics are all down to Ollie. Of course he is ultimately responsible for that as manager and makes the final decisions but input comes from his team of coaches and the analysts who do the homework on the opposition, it is to an extent a group effort.

I just watched the highlights and I think Derby's starting line up was pretty tasty for The Championship. I know it's difficult but we know we cannot expect much this season, we were big spenders but now we really aren't and are being left way behind with what other clubs are spending in The Championship. This is why investment in scouting was a good plan.

With our injury list Monday is going to be really difficult as are the games after.

I see no point in changing manager at the moment, as lala said last night

''At least Ollie gives a shite I'd rather lose with someone who cares.''

Chins up and let's tough the next few weeks or so out.

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Re: I wonder

Post by Adrian » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:14 pm

Nodge70 wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:00 pm
ZENITH R wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:08 am
Dollis Hoop wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:58 am
There comes a point in many managers' careers when they start to make weird decisions: picking players who plainly don't deserve to be picked, playing people out of position, making inexplicable substitutions, making things more complicated than they need to be. I'm afraid to say that Ollie has reached that stage.
To be fair ... he reached that stage last time he was manager and that was over 10 years ago.

Anyone remember Georges Santos playing as a centre forward?
Remember him scoring a screamer against Leicester!

But was playing centre back that day
Wasn't that Marc Nygarrd?

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Re: I wonder

Post by Esox Lucius » Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:40 pm

Holloway is the worst manager we have had since last November. Fact! :mrgreen:
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Re: I wonder

Post by Wegerle » Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:51 pm

Esox Lucius wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:40 pm
Holloway is the worst manager we have had since last November. Fact! :mrgreen:
Is the correct answer! 8)

But in all honesty, are we really talking about changing managers again?
I think, that so far, Holloway has done pretty well with the players and funds available. Don't forget that the money going around in the Championship these days is more that most Premier Leagues in the rest of Europe. Money that we don't have though.
So far I have seen a team fighting for every ball and winning against the top two teams in one week. We're not that bad.

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Re: I wonder

Post by beaglebum » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:24 am

Wegerle wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:51 pm
Esox Lucius wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:40 pm
Holloway is the worst manager we have had since last November. Fact! :mrgreen:
Is the correct answer! 8)

But in all honesty, are we really talking about changing managers again?
I think, that so far, Holloway has done pretty well with the players and funds available. Don't forget that the money going around in the Championship these days is more that most Premier Leagues in the rest of Europe. Money that we don't have though.
So far I have seen a team fighting for every ball and winning against the top two teams in one week. We're not that bad.
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Re: I wonder

Post by superh00p » Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:04 pm

beaglebum wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:24 am
Wegerle wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:51 pm
Esox Lucius wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:40 pm
Holloway is the worst manager we have had since last November. Fact! :mrgreen:
Is the correct answer! 8)

But in all honesty, are we really talking about changing managers again?
I think, that so far, Holloway has done pretty well with the players and funds available. Don't forget that the money going around in the Championship these days is more that most Premier Leagues in the rest of Europe. Money that we don't have though.
So far I have seen a team fighting for every ball and winning against the top two teams in one week. We're not that bad.
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Agreed. People have far too high expectations of this team. It is a bang average team. Similar to the one we had with Gallen, Bircham etc. Lots of triers but low on quality. That's not Ollie's fault. That's simply because we've stopped spending big money. We're picking up players on a free or paying 500k for them. Who can you get for 500k these days?! That's what some players earn in a week!

Ollie makes some bonkers decisions, but again - I bet he's not on mega money.

We've got the team and manager we can afford. Fans are going to have to lower their expectations I'm afraid...!

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