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Interesting Stats

Post by QPR_John » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:59 pm

It seems to be the general consensus that at least the football under Holloway is more exciting than JFH.

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5. 6. 5. 19. 22. Holloway
5. 5. 6. 17. 22. JFH

One was sacked and the other seems to be untouchable. Does 1 point and 2 goals really equate to more exciting football.

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Post by Andy_N19 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:34 pm

Holloway isn't untouchable.
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Post by Bear-Grills » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:56 pm

The results might not be better, but the football is undeniably more exciting and fun to watch
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Post by QPR_John » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:22 pm

Bear-Grills wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:56 pm
The results might not be better, but the football is undeniably more exciting and fun to watch
I might be old school but surely football is about winning. If given the option of winning or losing but in an entertaining way how many would choose the latter. I've never heard anybody say what a season, relegated but the entertainment was first rate.

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Post by QPR_John » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:26 pm

Andy_N19 wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:34 pm
Holloway isn't untouchable.
Some seem to think any criticism of Holloway is unacceptable you must have read the post

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Post by Crabsandwich » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:34 pm

QPR_John wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:22 pm
Bear-Grills wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:56 pm
The results might not be better, but the football is undeniably more exciting and fun to watch
I might be old school but surely football is about winning. If given the option of winning or losing but in an entertaining way how many would choose the latter. I've never heard anybody say what a season, relegated but the entertainment was first rate.
That wasn't your question. Your question was, given the goals and points record between JFH and Holloway is almost identical, how can the football be any more exciting? Clearly, the football is better and the games more exciting.

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Post by westlondonlalala » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:34 pm

QPR_John wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:59 pm
It seems to be the general consensus that at least the football under Holloway is more exciting than JFH.

W. D. L. F. A
5. 6. 5. 19. 22. Holloway
5. 5. 6. 17. 22. JFH

One was sacked and the other seems to be untouchable. Does 1 point and 2 goals really equate to more exciting football.
What are those stats?

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Post by QPR_John » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:37 pm

westlondonlalala wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:34 pm
QPR_John wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:59 pm
It seems to be the general consensus that at least the football under Holloway is more exciting than JFH.

W. D. L. F. A
5. 6. 5. 19. 22. Holloway
5. 5. 6. 17. 22. JFH

One was sacked and the other seems to be untouchable. Does 1 point and 2 goals really equate to more exciting football.
What are those stats?
Results after 16 games this and last season

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Post by westlondonlalala » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:39 pm

QPR_John wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:37 pm
westlondonlalala wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:34 pm
QPR_John wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:59 pm
It seems to be the general consensus that at least the football under Holloway is more exciting than JFH.

W. D. L. F. A
5. 6. 5. 19. 22. Holloway
5. 5. 6. 17. 22. JFH

One was sacked and the other seems to be untouchable. Does 1 point and 2 goals really equate to more exciting football.
What are those stats?
Results after 16 games this and last season
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Post by QPR_John » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:40 pm

Crabsandwich wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:34 pm
QPR_John wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:22 pm
Bear-Grills wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:56 pm
The results might not be better, but the football is undeniably more exciting and fun to watch
I might be old school but surely football is about winning. If given the option of winning or losing but in an entertaining way how many would choose the latter. I've never heard anybody say what a season, relegated but the entertainment was first rate.
That wasn't your question. Your question was, given the goals and points record between JFH and Holloway is almost identical, how can the football be any more exciting? Clearly, the football is better and the games more exciting.
Hardly clearly. Better football you would assume would produce better results.

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Post by QPR_John » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:43 pm

westlondonlalala wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:39 pm
QPR_John wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:37 pm
westlondonlalala wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:34 pm


What are those stats?
Results after 16 games this and last season
I've just driven 3hrs so please forgive me but uve lost me John.
Last season JFH was sacked after 16 games with the results as above. Holloways stats after 16 games this season are not that much better

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Post by Crabsandwich » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:48 pm

QPR_John wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:40 pm
Crabsandwich wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:34 pm
QPR_John wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:22 pm


I might be old school but surely football is about winning. If given the option of winning or losing but in an entertaining way how many would choose the latter. I've never heard anybody say what a season, relegated but the entertainment was first rate.
That wasn't your question. Your question was, given the goals and points record between JFH and Holloway is almost identical, how can the football be any more exciting? Clearly, the football is better and the games more exciting.
Hardly clearly. Better football you would assume would produce better results.
Why? Wimbledon were very effective for years playing absolute horseshit. I've spent many hours watching Arsenal pass the ball around deliciously in the opposition penalty area without scoring a goal. I'm amazed that anyone can think the quality of football isn't better than it was under JFH. Do any games from that era stick out as being particularly exciting or high on quality?

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Post by UxbridgeR » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:38 pm

QPR_John wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:43 pm
westlondonlalala wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:39 pm
QPR_John wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:37 pm


Results after 16 games this and last season
I've just driven 3hrs so please forgive me but uve lost me John.
Last season JFH was sacked after 16 games with the results as above. Holloways stats after 16 games this season are not that much better
QPR_John quoting statistics. Strange times indeed.

It remains irrefutably true that if you look at the points return per game, Holloway's record is still inferior to JFH's.

How one interpret's that of course is subjective. Given you are always keen to sack the manager, I'm assuming that you consider it good reason to get rid of Holloway. Personally I would argue that it simply serves to demonstrate that JFH and indeed Ramsey were unfairly sacked.

Who would you suggest we appoint in Holloway's place who is likely to get more out of this group of players, given the obvious financial constraints we're working under ?
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Post by QPR_John » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:36 pm

UxbridgeR wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:38 pm
QPR_John wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:43 pm
westlondonlalala wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:39 pm


I've just driven 3hrs so please forgive me but uve lost me John.
Last season JFH was sacked after 16 games with the results as above. Holloways stats after 16 games this season are not that much better
QPR_John quoting statistics. Strange times indeed.

It remains irrefutably true that if you look at the points return per game, Holloway's record is still inferior to JFH's.

How one interpret's that of course is subjective. Given you are always keen to sack the manager, I'm assuming that you consider it good reason to get rid of Holloway. Personally I would argue that it simply serves to demonstrate that JFH and indeed Ramsey were unfairly sacked.

Who would you suggest we appoint in Holloway's place who is likely to get more out of this group of players, given the obvious financial constraints we're working under ?
Lets start by accepting whatever we might want Holloway is here to stay. With the state of the club I would not be surprised if he is offered a new contract. One day we may appoint a manager who is in demand but don't hold your breath. I don't want a manager sacked I want a manager, something this club has not had for a long time, who can organise a team make it better than it's parts.

I know it was only one game but did you feel there was any plan before and during Saturdays game. Smith playing with no width, Luongo off with Cousins struggling at right wing back surely cried out for him moving to midfield with Wszolek or Furlong coming on. Where are the wingers we bought pre season, a financial commitment to wages but seemingly no longer required. As to a replacement I don't know clearly we are not in the market for a name and I really have no knowledge of up and coming managers. Maybe the Barnsley manager who seems to be getting his team organised, the Wycombe manager I understand has some connection to us.

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Re: Interesting Stats

Post by westlondonlalala » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:50 pm

QPR_John wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:43 pm
westlondonlalala wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:39 pm
QPR_John wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:37 pm


Results after 16 games this and last season
I've just driven 3hrs so please forgive me but uve lost me John.
Last season JFH was sacked after 16 games with the results as above. Holloways stats after 16 games this season are not that much better
Cheers would the better comparison not be ollies first 16 games incharge full stop or would that be even worse than his 16 games this season :shock:

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