Interview with Steven Caulker in The Guardian

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Re: Interview with Steven Caulker in The Guardian

Post by SheepRanger » Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:19 pm

patrickqpr wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:53 pm
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Another wasted talent. He could play the game.

Though I didn't exactly well-up reading it, I was in tears of laughter/disbelief at the skewed perspective and the lame justifications. He blames himself for everything yet somehow it was always been someone else/situation that caused it.

And of course he is leading a glamorous, jet-set lifestyle. He is a very fortunate man child. It must be so difficult having all that money to help yourself.

As for a clubs duty of care... don't get me started.

Steve, have a proper word with yourself, preferably somewhere else.
Pretty much how I felt when I read it. Not denying he is ill but how about he takes some responsibility for his actions?
He has by the guilt of it made his mental health worse.
Performing in work with a mental health condition is hard enough but to do it in football with 15,000 people critiquing your performance at work during every minute of a game must be impossible. Not nice and money aside he should consider whether football is right for him. Having spunked most of his money I doubt he'll take that option. He really needs his money invested under a power of attorney and given a wage so he cant access it and throw it away. He'll end up broke unless the access to these are restricted and handled by others for his long term benefit.

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Re: Interview with Steven Caulker in The Guardian

Post by whittonhoop » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:04 pm

It's very saddening - he may have spent a lot of what he has earned (and that is a lot), let's just hope for his and his loved ones sake, especially his son, that he has now hit his rock bottom and can turn his life around, whether it be at this football club, another football club, or in anything else he turns his hand to.

Wishing him well for his recovery.

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Re: Interview with Steven Caulker in The Guardian

Post by deadendjob » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:25 pm

Bit torn on this one. He looked excellent at the start of the season, got injured then went off the rails.
I know people in his position and they either sort their shit out or fall back into old habits.
The cynic in me feels as though his ship has sailed and although he's saying the right things, he needs to show he is doing them.
He had a similar spiel when he started doing charity work after the last window, but regressed further.

Maybe the solution is to get him to sign a new contract at heavily reduced wages? It would show intent on his behalf and maybe make the club reconsider their position? Include a clause that if he is in breach with any off-field antics he contract is terminated?
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Re: Interview with Steven Caulker in The Guardian

Post by stainrod's elbow » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:33 pm

The guy's clearly a walking car crash. To be honest, I don't know whether to sympathise or lobotomise!

From the club's point of view, the most striking part is the revelation that Olly wants him back, while the owners want him out. I'm wondering which camp Les and Hoos are in. Either way, it's not great that the club are not singing form the same songsheet. What, then, will/can they now do? Pay him off? Tear up his contract? However guilty he says he feels, I'm willing to wager he won't be walking away without a hefty handshake.

I know the club culture's supposedly changing, but, from Bosingwa to Cesar, from SWP to Barton, why is it that QPR seem to be the consistent port of call for mentally/sportingly/vertically challenged poseurs who defy the job description of professional footballer while drawing a bigger weekly salary than most of us earn in a year?
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Re: Interview with Steven Caulker in The Guardian

Post by stainrod's elbow » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:36 pm

deadendjob wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:25 pm
Bit torn on this one. He looked excellent at the start of the season, got injured then went off the rails.
I know people in his position and they either sort their shit out or fall back into old habits.
The cynic in me feels as though his ship has sailed and although he's saying the right things, he needs to show he is doing them.
He had a similar spiel when he started doing charity work after the last window, but regressed further.

Maybe the solution is to get him to sign a new contract at heavily reduced wages? It would show intent on his behalf and maybe make the club reconsider their position? Include a clause that if he is in breach with any off-field antics he contract is terminated?
The cynic in me wonders if Caulker has 'reached out' to The Guardian to protect himself against just such an eventuality vis-a-vis his current deal. Amazing how footballers are apparently exempt from normal working protocols, is it not? I worked in a soddin' petrol station once and ended up getting nicked for sitting in a stolen car, and the next week my cards were on the table. I love football, but too many of its practitioners are pampered c*nts.
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Re: Interview with Steven Caulker in The Guardian

Post by SheepRanger » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:48 pm

Well, I couldnt be a footballer as Id make George Best appear angelic. For all the money and fame it only for the goodie shoe boots. How do you think Stan would get on in modern football......

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Re: Interview with Steven Caulker in The Guardian

Post by Bear-Grills » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:01 pm

SheepRanger wrote:
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Well, I couldnt be a footballer as Id make George Best appear angelic. For all the money and fame it only for the goodie shoe boots. How do you think Stan would get on in modern football......
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Re: Interview with Steven Caulker in The Guardian

Post by willo » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:05 pm

BiscuitRanger wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:12 pm
Another wasted talent. He could play the game.

Though I didn't exactly well-up reading it, I was in tears of laughter/disbelief at the skewed perspective and the lame justifications. He blames himself for everything yet somehow it was always been someone else/situation that caused it.

And of course he is leading a glamorous, jet-set lifestyle. He is a very fortunate man child. It must be so difficult having all that money to help yourself.

As for a clubs duty of care... don't get me started.

Steve, have a proper word with yourself, preferably somewhere else.
You laughed. Good heavens.

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Re: Interview with Steven Caulker in The Guardian

Post by Montag » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:12 pm

I would like to say it's not for us to sit in judgement on him - but we do contribute to his vast wages which he has seen fit to take to the tables and piss away. He might just be too sensitive and too stress prone to function again as a player which is sad really because at his best, he's exactly what we need at the back. If anyone can get him ticking again, it's Holloway. At least he's been honest which is a good start.
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Re: Interview with Steven Caulker in The Guardian

Post by BiscuitRanger » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:15 am

willo wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:05 pm

....You laughed. Good heavens.
With incredulity.

Here's a grown man, clinically diagnosed with depression and anxiety, who is telling his redemption story laced with pathetic justifications and excuses.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, how many of us suffer from the same affliction, albeit clinically undiagnosed.?

From personal experience it's as easy as eating chips to go to your GP, take a simple 'diagnostic' questionnaire get the same diagnosis a packet of SSRI's and a sick note.
Stevie can afford to see the very best specialists and get the best support money can buy. Sure he may have spunked last month's pay check, but if he waits until the end of the month there will be another GBP +100K sitting there.

Real life is hard. Pressure at work to perform and the level of accountability is at an all time high. For most of us common folk there are plenty of others just standing in line waiting for a chance at our jobs, and would probably do it for less money.

As for the second chances comment...after being up in front of magistrates for 4-5 times and coming to a realisation there might not be more 'second' chances, laughable.

You and I would be dismissed from our workplace if we carried on the same way.

As for only being able to see his kid every now and this being a contributory factor to his unstable condition; really? So the times poor old stevie skipped training, was up all night gambling, drinking and then went AWOL, couldn't have perhaps been spent with his kid? He made his choices.

I don't personally have to have sympathy and understanding for this man and his 'plight'. Plenty of others here seem to.

Stevie is has access to the best help, is still getting paid a wedge and when recovered, can easily gain employment elsewhere. Playing a nice leisurely game for big bucks.
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Re: Interview with Steven Caulker in The Guardian

Post by Satch » Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:12 am

What an astounding lack of compassion.

You sound like an extraordinarily petty, bitter and pathetic person. You're right, life is hard for a lot of people, just because Caulker has got a few quid in his pocket is largely irrelevant if he's feeling suicidal, it doesn't get any lower than that. He's fortunate in so far as, if he can get on top of his problems then he'll probably be in a better financial position than most. But until then it doesn't really make a huge difference.

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Re: Interview with Steven Caulker in The Guardian

Post by WA Hoop » Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:17 am

I do hope Steven succeeds in his recovery, both for himself and for his son.

What I'm amazed at is the club's complete lack of due diligence on the player prior to signing him. The lad's demons were clearly firmly in place before he joined QPR and probably well known within football circles.
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Re: Interview with Steven Caulker in The Guardian

Post by Esox Lucius » Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:27 am

You display a complete lack of understanding of what mental illness and depression actually is. You seem to think that because he is well paid that should be job done with regard to "curing him". He is in the same boat as the many people in all walks of life who end, or attempt to end, their lives for reasons that the rest of us would deem as ridiculous. That is why it is a mental illness. Different people cope and others don't cope there is no measure of who falls into which category. Everyone empathised with Ale Faurlin over three cruciate tears in a short time because it was a well documented physical injury but little is made of the mental fortitude it took to keep believing in himself without falling into depression. "Pull yourself together" or "get over yourself" are the mouthings of the ignorant.
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Re: Interview with Steven Caulker in The Guardian

Post by willo » Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:47 am

Esox Lucius wrote:
Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:27 am
You display a complete lack of understanding of what mental illness and depression actually is. You seem to think that because he is well paid that should be job done with regard to "curing him". He is in the same boat as the many people in all walks of life who end, or attempt to end, their lives for reasons that the rest of us would deem as ridiculous. That is why it is a mental illness. Different people cope and others don't cope there is no measure of who falls into which category. Everyone empathised with Ale Faurlin over three cruciate tears in a short time because it was a well documented physical injury but little is made of the mental fortitude it took to keep believing in himself without falling into depression. "Pull yourself together" or "get over yourself" are the mouthings of the ignorant.
I couldn't agree more.

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Re: Interview with Steven Caulker in The Guardian

Post by Benj » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:03 am

Yeah, Biscuit, for chrissakes shut up, you're embarrassing yourself. I'd be utterly ashamed to be peddling such compassion-free, antedeluvian, heartless, selfish cobblers. It's precisely the attitudes of people like you that stigmatise mental illness and make it much, much harder for people to deal with in an open fashion.
I read the article thinking "Please, please when I check on the board, don't let there be some idiot spouting bile about this." Lo and behold...

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