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Re: Get the feeling Olly really didnt get on with Chery

Post by deadendjob » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:32 pm

Barry wrote:I am not sad to see Chery go, he has never really produced for us and is a luxury that we cannot afford at the minute
What... He was our top goal scorer last season. 10 goals - 4 assists.
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Re: Get the feeling Olly really didnt get on with Chery

Post by deadendjob » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:37 pm

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Jamie wrote:
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Totally agree. The idea that Chery didn't "put a shift in" is frankly cobblers. Meanwhile good old Eze has played about 20 mins for us, but is the new flavour of the month.
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Speaking about his time back at the club so far he said: “I thought we’d have got more wins than what we have done to be honest and I thought the squad had a better unity than we’ve actually got."
Thought our team spirit was fairly good to be honest. All the signs suggested they were. Players celebrating with each other etc. Obviously, I could be completely wrong, but I think we all had that feeling. There were numerous threads on it. And it's vastly improved from what it once was.

I love Olly. But was he always like this? He's now currently doing all the things that I disliked about Redknapp. Playing a weakened team in the cup just at the beginning of the transfer window. Talking about needing a few more bodies in. Dropping some players in it. Bad mouthing some of the players. Criticising performances after selecting a side. Saying he's going to play Washington up front in a two, then actually using him the same way JFH did. Picking the lineup from a tombola.

I absolutely want Olly to succeed and I want him to succeed in playing entertaining attacking football. But I am concerned at the methods and the performances.
Agreed team spirit was not an issue before and as much as many fans felt Hasselbaink was arrogant etc, the players seemed to like and respect him.

Yes, Holloway was a bit like this before. It wasn't as bad and there was more of the post promotion glow still there. But he was critical of players. Ian Evatt and his red boots, we ended up making a loss on Evatt in the end (ironically to Blackpool). Lee Cook and his gloves, Cook couldn't buy a start for a long time (not suggesting Holloway operates such a system, unlike a more recent manager) and had most fans convinced Cook was a luxury and overrated. He was always trying to bring in players too. Agreed he's also done the classic early transfer window tactic. He also seems broken, the bizarre rant about Brighton fans, complaining about the performance of teams he's selected. Taking credit for throwing in the next cab off the rank youth team player (whilst mostly ignoring Shodipo who seems to be blaming for a defensive error several matches ago).

I really want him to succeed too, i want an end to the merry go round of managers and who better than someone who has played for the club, has some affection (even if it's overplayed) for it and is liked by the fans. But at the moment he's all the things i feared he would be, broken, unwilling to work with the players, obsessed with certain players (often in the wrong position), full of sound bites etc. Ideally Ferdinand and Hoos will take him to one side and tell him to shut his mouth and focus on getting results and he'll knuckle down and work within in the new system.
Jamie wrote:He's been getting a few odd digs in that I'm not sure are that advisable.

Also, this is QPR, we absolutely bloody love a luxury player. Well, we used to anyway.
We do, he never did, Cook on the bench (as mentioned). Midfield duos involving Bean, Bircham, Santos, Palmer (Rowlands mostly stuck out wide).
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Jamie wrote:He's been getting a few odd digs in that I'm not sure are that advisable.

Also, this is QPR, we absolutely bloody love a luxury player. Well, we used to anyway.
Totally agree. The idea that Chery didn't "put a shift in" is frankly cobblers. Meanwhile good old Eze has played about 20 mins for us, but is the new flavour of the month.
Agreed, also often you don't want your number ten (of which we only have one) charging around the pitch out of position. I'm glad Eze got a game, but it's not as if Holloway spotted something no one else did. Meanwhile, we've seen less of Shodipo.
Agree with all of this. Olly seems pig headed and has started deflecting & blaming the players. I appreciate as a manager, there's sometimes only so much you can do, but he's be putting out odd teams and playing players in the wrong positions like our previous managers did. But because Olly's a legend and talks a good game (like a certain Mr. Harold), he doesn't get the heat the others did.
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Re: Get the feeling Olly really didnt get on with Chery

Post by White Duck » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:16 pm

deadendjob wrote:
Satch wrote:
Jamie wrote:
http://www.kilburntimes.co.uk/sport/foo ... _1_4843738



Thought our team spirit was fairly good to be honest. All the signs suggested they were. Players celebrating with each other etc. Obviously, I could be completely wrong, but I think we all had that feeling. There were numerous threads on it. And it's vastly improved from what it once was.

I love Olly. But was he always like this? He's now currently doing all the things that I disliked about Redknapp. Playing a weakened team in the cup just at the beginning of the transfer window. Talking about needing a few more bodies in. Dropping some players in it. Bad mouthing some of the players. Criticising performances after selecting a side. Saying he's going to play Washington up front in a two, then actually using him the same way JFH did. Picking the lineup from a tombola.

I absolutely want Olly to succeed and I want him to succeed in playing entertaining attacking football. But I am concerned at the methods and the performances.
Agreed team spirit was not an issue before and as much as many fans felt Hasselbaink was arrogant etc, the players seemed to like and respect him.

Yes, Holloway was a bit like this before. It wasn't as bad and there was more of the post promotion glow still there. But he was critical of players. Ian Evatt and his red boots, we ended up making a loss on Evatt in the end (ironically to Blackpool). Lee Cook and his gloves, Cook couldn't buy a start for a long time (not suggesting Holloway operates such a system, unlike a more recent manager) and had most fans convinced Cook was a luxury and overrated. He was always trying to bring in players too. Agreed he's also done the classic early transfer window tactic. He also seems broken, the bizarre rant about Brighton fans, complaining about the performance of teams he's selected. Taking credit for throwing in the next cab off the rank youth team player (whilst mostly ignoring Shodipo who seems to be blaming for a defensive error several matches ago).

I really want him to succeed too, i want an end to the merry go round of managers and who better than someone who has played for the club, has some affection (even if it's overplayed) for it and is liked by the fans. But at the moment he's all the things i feared he would be, broken, unwilling to work with the players, obsessed with certain players (often in the wrong position), full of sound bites etc. Ideally Ferdinand and Hoos will take him to one side and tell him to shut his mouth and focus on getting results and he'll knuckle down and work within in the new system.
Jamie wrote:He's been getting a few odd digs in that I'm not sure are that advisable.

Also, this is QPR, we absolutely bloody love a luxury player. Well, we used to anyway.
We do, he never did, Cook on the bench (as mentioned). Midfield duos involving Bean, Bircham, Santos, Palmer (Rowlands mostly stuck out wide).
UxbridgeR wrote:
Totally agree. The idea that Chery didn't "put a shift in" is frankly cobblers. Meanwhile good old Eze has played about 20 mins for us, but is the new flavour of the month.
Agreed, also often you don't want your number ten (of which we only have one) charging around the pitch out of position. I'm glad Eze got a game, but it's not as if Holloway spotted something no one else did. Meanwhile, we've seen less of Shodipo.
Agree with all of this. Olly seems pig headed and has started deflecting & blaming the players. I appreciate as a manager, there's sometimes only so much you can do, but he's be putting out odd teams and playing players in the wrong positions like our previous managers did. But because Olly's a legend and talks a good game (like a certain Mr. Harold), he doesn't get the heat the others did.
He does on here, increasingly so.
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Re: Get the feeling Olly really didnt get on with Chery

Post by patrickqpr » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:22 pm

White Duck wrote:
deadendjob wrote:
Satch wrote:
Agreed team spirit was not an issue before and as much as many fans felt Hasselbaink was arrogant etc, the players seemed to like and respect him.

Yes, Holloway was a bit like this before. It wasn't as bad and there was more of the post promotion glow still there. But he was critical of players. Ian Evatt and his red boots, we ended up making a loss on Evatt in the end (ironically to Blackpool). Lee Cook and his gloves, Cook couldn't buy a start for a long time (not suggesting Holloway operates such a system, unlike a more recent manager) and had most fans convinced Cook was a luxury and overrated. He was always trying to bring in players too. Agreed he's also done the classic early transfer window tactic. He also seems broken, the bizarre rant about Brighton fans, complaining about the performance of teams he's selected. Taking credit for throwing in the next cab off the rank youth team player (whilst mostly ignoring Shodipo who seems to be blaming for a defensive error several matches ago).

I really want him to succeed too, i want an end to the merry go round of managers and who better than someone who has played for the club, has some affection (even if it's overplayed) for it and is liked by the fans. But at the moment he's all the things i feared he would be, broken, unwilling to work with the players, obsessed with certain players (often in the wrong position), full of sound bites etc. Ideally Ferdinand and Hoos will take him to one side and tell him to shut his mouth and focus on getting results and he'll knuckle down and work within in the new system.



We do, he never did, Cook on the bench (as mentioned). Midfield duos involving Bean, Bircham, Santos, Palmer (Rowlands mostly stuck out wide).



Agreed, also often you don't want your number ten (of which we only have one) charging around the pitch out of position. I'm glad Eze got a game, but it's not as if Holloway spotted something no one else did. Meanwhile, we've seen less of Shodipo.
Agree with all of this. Olly seems pig headed and has started deflecting & blaming the players. I appreciate as a manager, there's sometimes only so much you can do, but he's be putting out odd teams and playing players in the wrong positions like our previous managers did. But because Olly's a legend and talks a good game (like a certain Mr. Harold), he doesn't get the heat the others did.
He does on here, increasingly so.
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And rightly so. He should talk less sh1t and get on with managing the team.

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Re: Get the feeling Olly really didnt get on with Chery

Post by Satch » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:25 pm

White Duck wrote:
deadendjob wrote:
Satch wrote:
Agreed team spirit was not an issue before and as much as many fans felt Hasselbaink was arrogant etc, the players seemed to like and respect him.

Yes, Holloway was a bit like this before. It wasn't as bad and there was more of the post promotion glow still there. But he was critical of players. Ian Evatt and his red boots, we ended up making a loss on Evatt in the end (ironically to Blackpool). Lee Cook and his gloves, Cook couldn't buy a start for a long time (not suggesting Holloway operates such a system, unlike a more recent manager) and had most fans convinced Cook was a luxury and overrated. He was always trying to bring in players too. Agreed he's also done the classic early transfer window tactic. He also seems broken, the bizarre rant about Brighton fans, complaining about the performance of teams he's selected. Taking credit for throwing in the next cab off the rank youth team player (whilst mostly ignoring Shodipo who seems to be blaming for a defensive error several matches ago).

I really want him to succeed too, i want an end to the merry go round of managers and who better than someone who has played for the club, has some affection (even if it's overplayed) for it and is liked by the fans. But at the moment he's all the things i feared he would be, broken, unwilling to work with the players, obsessed with certain players (often in the wrong position), full of sound bites etc. Ideally Ferdinand and Hoos will take him to one side and tell him to shut his mouth and focus on getting results and he'll knuckle down and work within in the new system.



We do, he never did, Cook on the bench (as mentioned). Midfield duos involving Bean, Bircham, Santos, Palmer (Rowlands mostly stuck out wide).



Agreed, also often you don't want your number ten (of which we only have one) charging around the pitch out of position. I'm glad Eze got a game, but it's not as if Holloway spotted something no one else did. Meanwhile, we've seen less of Shodipo.
Agree with all of this. Olly seems pig headed and has started deflecting & blaming the players. I appreciate as a manager, there's sometimes only so much you can do, but he's be putting out odd teams and playing players in the wrong positions like our previous managers did. But because Olly's a legend and talks a good game (like a certain Mr. Harold), he doesn't get the heat the others did.
He does on here, increasingly so.
I don't think he's getting much heat at all. A few people expressing some concerns is about it. He's getting far less stick than Hasselbaink got.

Does anyone know if Bircham is adding much other than support to dugout roof?

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Re: Get the feeling Olly really didnt get on with Chery

Post by Esox Lucius » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:57 pm

All Chery's stats have been removed from the Offish. :D
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Re: Get the feeling Olly really didnt get on with Chery

Post by Barry » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:23 pm

deadendjob wrote:
Barry wrote:I am not sad to see Chery go, he has never really produced for us and is a luxury that we cannot afford at the minute
What... He was our top goal scorer last season. 10 goals - 4 assists.
How many penalties?

Stuart Wardley scored shed loads of goals for us many moons ago but was actually a very limited player.

Chery was a bit of a ghost player. Touches of quality and then completely disappear. I've never been convinced
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Re: Get the feeling Olly really didnt get on with Chery

Post by qpray » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:37 pm

Does anyone know if Bircham is adding much other than support to dugout roof?[/quote]


Lol, nice one Satch :lol:

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Re: Get the feeling Olly really didnt get on with Chery

Post by UxbridgeR » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:52 pm

Barry wrote:
deadendjob wrote:
Barry wrote:I am not sad to see Chery go, he has never really produced for us and is a luxury that we cannot afford at the minute
What... He was our top goal scorer last season. 10 goals - 4 assists.
How many penalties?

Stuart Wardley scored shed loads of goals for us many moons ago but was actually a very limited player.

Chery was a bit of a ghost player. Touches of quality and then completely disappear. I've never been convinced
You're not seriously comparing Chery with Wardley, are you ?

Was Wardley ever picked by his country ? Or even his county ?
Are headphones getting bigger, or are idiots getting smaller ?

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Re: Get the feeling Olly really didnt get on with Chery

Post by dm » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:19 pm

From Ollie's pre match comments it's clear there were several players with whom Ollie fell out. He doesn't name any but appears to say they were senior players.

It seems to be in the past now but whatever it was about and whoever it was with, I can only assume it contributed to the dreadful run of form.

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Re: Get the feeling Olly really didnt get on with Chery

Post by Satch » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:37 pm

dm wrote:From Ollie's pre match comments it's clear there were several players with whom Ollie fell out. He doesn't name any but appears to say they were senior players.

It seems to be in the past now but whatever it was about and whoever it was with, I can only assume it contributed to the dreadful run of form.
It's hard to think that they were all in the wrong and he in the right so it's pretty alarming. Especially as Hasselbaink hardly appeared as a soft touch, with players throwing their weight around. As you say, one way or another, hopefully it's sorted.

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Re: Get the feeling Olly really didnt get on with Chery

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Barry wrote:
deadendjob wrote:
Barry wrote:I am not sad to see Chery go, he has never really produced for us and is a luxury that we cannot afford at the minute
What... He was our top goal scorer last season. 10 goals - 4 assists.
How many penalties?

Stuart Wardley scored shed loads of goals for us many moons ago but was actually a very limited player.

Chery was a bit of a ghost player. Touches of quality and then completely disappear. I've never been convinced
Does anyone still know if penalties count as goals?
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Re: Get the feeling Olly really didnt get on with Chery

Post by Esox Lucius » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:38 pm

Jamie wrote:
Barry wrote:
deadendjob wrote: What... He was our top goal scorer last season. 10 goals - 4 assists.
How many penalties?

Stuart Wardley scored shed loads of goals for us many moons ago but was actually a very limited player.

Chery was a bit of a ghost player. Touches of quality and then completely disappear. I've never been convinced
Does anyone still know if penalties count as goals?
Only if scored by someone other than Tjarron Chery I believe.
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Re: Get the feeling Olly really didnt get on with Chery

Post by Barry » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:33 pm

UxbridgeR wrote:
Barry wrote:
deadendjob wrote: What... He was our top goal scorer last season. 10 goals - 4 assists.
How many penalties?

Stuart Wardley scored shed loads of goals for us many moons ago but was actually a very limited player.

Chery was a bit of a ghost player. Touches of quality and then completely disappear. I've never been convinced
You're not seriously comparing Chery with Wardley, are you ?

Was Wardley ever picked by his country ? Or even his county ?
I'm not directly comparing them, Chery clearly has more quality than Wardley but IMO he has been a disappointment. I couldn't care less about him being chosen for his country. He was picked at a time when the Dutch have possibly their worst team in decades!

Chery' goal stats look a lot better due to penalties. It's easy to let this mask the fact that he was not that great.

I find it funny that he seems to be lauded yet Taarabt (who was top notch for us in this league) is abused by some!
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Re: Get the feeling Olly really didnt get on with Chery

Post by Barry » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:56 pm

Jake Tidwell obviously disagrees with me!! :lol:

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