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Re: General Election called

Post by Esox Lucius » Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:21 pm

A high percentage of NHS clinics are now contracted out to private healthcare, this is definitely true as I have been attending various Musculo-skeletal clinics in the last fw years and they have all been contracted out. There is more on it here. http://www.patients4nhs.org.uk/how-is-t ... rivatised/ There was also the admission the other day that US pharmacy will be allowed to hike the price of drugs to the NHS after Brexit. I could only find a year old comparison article, and it is from the Mirror, but the facts are accurate enough. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... s-18973739
My step daughter had a cardiac arrest around five years ago in North Carolina where she lived and had to receive paramedic treatment and three days in an ICU before being discharged as she had no medical insurance (she was out of work) at the time and they new she couldn't pay for a bed in a ward to get better. The cost of all the treatment etc. was a little over $306,000 and my wife and I paid for her drugs she needed at discharge which came to nearly $700. She arranged a payback plan to the hospital of around $40 a month but this meant there was no follow up work done to ascertain the cause of the cardiac arrest and tragically three Christmases ago she had another and died. If she was living here in the UK she she would still be alive.
The Tories are dismantling the NHS and it is a tragedy without exhorting headline banners designed to put down anyone who says different. It IS happening now.
BTW she was only 35 when she died and there was no investigation as to why, just a PM to ascertain cause of death.
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Re: General Election called

Post by dm » Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:08 pm

QPR_John wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:57 am
dm wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:39 pm
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:57 pm


I'm more worried how safe the whole country would be under a Corbyn administration
I can't see any reason why Corbyn would make the country any less safe than it is now. In contrast, I can see every reason to fear for my personal safety in terms of a privatised NHS should Johnson become PM. Not to mention an underfunded social care service, police force, security services, penal and justice system, etc. etc. under another Tory Government, all of which pose potential threats to my safety.
Ok cards on the table. Show me concrete proof that Johnson is going to privatise the NHS. As previously stated I've lived through a good many general elections and in everyone Labour have pleaded with the electors to save the NHS by voting for them. Although there are many problems the NHS is still free at the point of use. I no longer pay NI or prescription charges or for eye tests so in fact for me it is completely free apart from the dentist. If I thought for one minute I would have to pay insurance do you think I would vote for a party that would privatise the NHS. If the Tories win but the NHS is not privatised by the next election will you come on here and apologise or will you once again plead to save the NHS from being privatised by the Tories.
The privatisation of the NHS has been underway for quite some time as this article shows - £15b worth of NHS contracts outsourced to private companies in past 4 years: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 26836.html That will only increase under another Tory government and the process continued until the NHS has been broken up and grabbed by private interests.

The leaked documents on the American deal is clear evidence that a Johnson led government will give NHS access to big business: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ug-pricing

The BMA themselves understand this threat is real: http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/all-ne ... 33.article

And plenty more evidence here: https://www.nhsforsale.info

I'm sure you'll reply that none of this is concrete evidence. However, you'd at least agree the hard right are in the ascendant in the Tory party and their political philosophy means they’ll look to reduce the size of the state as much as they can. They also want the potential profits of a market based health system to go to big business who, in turn, would support them.

And don't forget, the Tories voted numerous times against the establishing of the NHS in 1945. They've never believed in the NHS.

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Re: General Election called

Post by QPR_John » Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:50 pm

dm wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:08 pm
QPR_John wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:57 am
dm wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:39 pm


I can't see any reason why Corbyn would make the country any less safe than it is now. In contrast, I can see every reason to fear for my personal safety in terms of a privatised NHS should Johnson become PM. Not to mention an underfunded social care service, police force, security services, penal and justice system, etc. etc. under another Tory Government, all of which pose potential threats to my safety.
Ok cards on the table. Show me concrete proof that Johnson is going to privatise the NHS. As previously stated I've lived through a good many general elections and in everyone Labour have pleaded with the electors to save the NHS by voting for them. Although there are many problems the NHS is still free at the point of use. I no longer pay NI or prescription charges or for eye tests so in fact for me it is completely free apart from the dentist. If I thought for one minute I would have to pay insurance do you think I would vote for a party that would privatise the NHS. If the Tories win but the NHS is not privatised by the next election will you come on here and apologise or will you once again plead to save the NHS from being privatised by the Tories.
The privatisation of the NHS has been underway for quite some time as this article shows - £15b worth of NHS contracts outsourced to private companies in past 4 years: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 26836.html That will only increase under another Tory government and the process continued until the NHS has been broken up and grabbed by private interests.

The leaked documents on the American deal is clear evidence that a Johnson led government will give NHS access to big business: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ug-pricing

The BMA themselves understand this threat is real: http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/all-ne ... 33.article

And plenty more evidence here: https://www.nhsforsale.info

I'm sure you'll reply that none of this is concrete evidence. However, you'd at least agree the hard right are in the ascendant in the Tory party and their political philosophy means they’ll look to reduce the size of the state as much as they can. They also want the potential profits of a market based health system to go to big business who, in turn, would support them.

And don't forget, the Tories voted numerous times against the establishing of the NHS in 1945. They've never believed in the NHS.
It's 2019, 74 years since the establishment of the NHS and the Tories have had plenty of opportunities to privatise it and have not done yet. Are you really using the ideas of 1945 as an indication of current thinking. Corbyn was a staunch eurosceptic until recently when it served his purposes to be otherwise. I honestly do not see the problem in the NHS using private hospitals if the alternative is an ever increasing waiting list for operations. I understand Corbyn will stop this practice.

Still the offers there. Apologise if, should the Tories be in power, the NHS is still in public hands at the next election and I'll join you in protest if an insurance based USA style health system is introduced here.

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Re: General Election called

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QPR_John wrote:
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I'll join you in protest if an insurance based USA style health system is introduced here.
Good man. See you in Westminster next year John :wink:

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Re: General Election called

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Re: General Election called

Post by Satch » Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:33 pm

QPR_John wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:45 am
Esox Lucius wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:46 am
QPR_John wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:57 pm


I'm more worried how safe the whole country would be under a Corbyn administration
What on Earth makes you think the country is safe at the moment?
Corbyn is not in No. 10
Out of interest, what is it you specifically fear about a Corbyn government?

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Re: General Election called

Post by deadendjob » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:09 am

The pribbling idle-headed giglet is wrong with people. They won by a landslide.
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Re: General Election called

Post by Damien » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:04 pm

Talk about "cutting your nose off to spite your face". There are some truly cretinous individuals amongst the working class. "Class traitors" every one of them. At least while we are all suffering under this Sociopath, I'll comfort myself knowing they will be suffering the most. My heart goes out to the decent people of England who have been shafted and undermined by their fellow citizens. Don't be under any illusions as to what havoc Johnson will be able to unleash in five years. We need a new Social Democratic Party in place to fight again. Social justice is still worth fighting for.
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Re: General Election called

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Make Britain Great Again...

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Re: General Election called

Post by 222gers » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:28 pm

There is a danger of the UK becoming a one party state. Many political commentators expect Labour to just replace Corbyn with a younger, more dynamic leader and pursue the same policies which will be torn to threads by the Tories and the media.
They would do well to remember that the two biggest election victories by any party since WW2 were both achieved by one Tony Blair.
The problem is that many of the more capable Labour politicians have gone or been pushed aside and Momentum seem to hold sway at grassroots level.
I think history will look more kindly on Tony Blair ( Iraq aside), than is common now. Blair and Brown brought about many useful reforms. Obviously, Brexit won't be an issue in the next election but unless Johnson drives the country into the ground over the next five years, Labour are well and truly stuffed.

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Re: General Election called

Post by Lee Gib » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:29 pm

Damien wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:04 pm
Talk about "cutting your nose off to spite your face". There are some truly cretinous individuals amongst the working class. "Class traitors" every one of them. At least while we are all suffering under this Sociopath, I'll comfort myself knowing they will be suffering the most. My heart goes out to the decent people of England who have been shafted and undermined by their fellow citizens. Don't be under any illusions as to what havoc Johnson will be able to unleash in five years. We need a new Social Democratic Party in place to fight again. Social justice is still worth fighting for.
Is this the caring left?

Have to say you're sounding a bit nasty there Damien. You're surely better than that.

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Re: General Election called

Post by Nw6ranger » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:43 pm

I'm certain that they know Boris will not do anything for them over the next few years. JC was unelectable .

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Re: General Election called

Post by Damien » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:50 pm

Lee Gib wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:29 pm
Damien wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:04 pm
Talk about "cutting your nose off to spite your face". There are some truly cretinous individuals amongst the working class. "Class traitors" every one of them. At least while we are all suffering under this Sociopath, I'll comfort myself knowing they will be suffering the most. My heart goes out to the decent people of England who have been shafted and undermined by their fellow citizens. Don't be under any illusions as to what havoc Johnson will be able to unleash in five years. We need a new Social Democratic Party in place to fight again. Social justice is still worth fighting for.
Is this the caring left?

Have to say you're sounding a bit nasty there Damien. You're surely better than that.
Bit of anger coming out Lee. I apologise for the language.It just annoys the hell out of me that people vote stupidly against their own interests.At least we may have seen the back of Momentum after this debacle.

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Re: General Election called

Post by Damien » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:55 pm

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Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:43 pm
I'm certain that they know Boris will not do anything for them over the next few years. JC was unelectable .
Then that is the definition of stupidity. Corbyn may have been unelectable, but people could have voted tactically to keep BoJo out. Handing the keys to No 10 to this dangerous man, just beggars belief to me. Maybe I'm out of touch with the electorate in England :shock: At least over here people are finally starting to slowly turn their back on SF and the DUP? Both votes down thankfully :)

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Re: General Election called

Post by QPR_John » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:17 pm

Damien wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:55 pm
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Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:43 pm
I'm certain that they know Boris will not do anything for them over the next few years. JC was unelectable .
Then that is the definition of stupidity. Corbyn may have been unelectable, but people could have voted tactically to keep BoJo out. Handing the keys to No 10 to this dangerous man, just beggars belief to me. Maybe I'm out of touch with the electorate in England :shock: At least over here people are finally starting to slowly turn their back on SF and the DUP? Both votes down thankfully :)
So we would have the unelectable Corbyn as prime minister

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