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VAR and the Women's World Cup

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:38 am
by Systemsguy
Lot of moaning on social media (some are respected commentators or ex players) thanks to Scotland's controversial injury time knock out to Argentina due to a penalty given and retake of said penalty thanks to VAR...

A lot saying it should be binned and it sucks the life out of football with such nonsense and a ref's fallibility adds to the drama....

I'm in favour of VAR at the top level as then you can have no argument and only then if the ref refuses to use it.....

Imagine Raheem Sterling's injury time goal would have sent Citeh into the semi finals of the Champions League last season without it and Totnum would forever point to such an injustice as the reason they didn't win the trophy (I know they didn't win it anyway....).

We all moaned about the blatant encroachment of Brum with Nakhi Wells penalty when we could have drawn the game 4 - 4 and had VAR been used it would have settled the debate of any QPR players encroaching as well (which would have made the save legit according to the laws of the game).

perhaps VAR should be amended so that "technical offenses" like goalies moving off the line or encroachment at penalties are at the officials on the field discretion rather than throw the baby out with the bathwater?

Re: VAR and the Women's World Cup

Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:53 am
by old pauline
I think goalies have got to be stopped from charging off their lines when a penalty is taken. You would like to think that referees could do this themselves and exercise appropriate discretion (i.e. a re-take when a keeper steals two or three yards but no re-take in the case of a keeper taking one step forward to dive) but sadly it appears that the law makers and implementers (i.e players/managers) would be unable to live with this.

I'd very much like this particular law to be left in the hands of the referee - with re-takes being awarded for blatant coming off the line and no re-take for one step forward as part of a dive.

I thought the Premier League have said that they won't be using VAR to control this ?

Re: VAR and the Women's World Cup

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:41 pm
by Montag
VAR didn't help the England Rugby side in the 2007 WCF when they were robbed of a try v S Africa. Someone still has to decide - regardless of what our eyes tell us. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Ru ... &FORM=VIRE

Re: VAR and the Women's World Cup

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:23 pm
by ZENITH R
England got a pen tonight (and missed again - that’s 3 in a row). But why was the USA woman not sent off? She fouled Ellen White, and denied a clear goal scoring opportunity.

That’s a red card not a yellow.

Re: VAR and the Women's World Cup

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:49 pm
by Montag
Was our disallowed goal offside. Didn't think it was but VAR says yes.

Re: VAR and the Women's World Cup

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:57 pm
by ZENITH R
Montag wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:49 pm
Was our disallowed goal offside. Didn't think it was but VAR says yes.
Level is not offside - it was very tight.

Re: VAR and the Women's World Cup

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:02 pm
by Systemsguy
Haven't watch the incident so can't comment but this is the FA ruling.....

Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offending player is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off.

A clumsy attempt to tackle someone doesn't automatically mean a sending off....

I also suggest reading up on the rule changes for this season as there is some major ones to look out for.... drop ball, freekick, goalkick, handball etc etc etc....

Also the (non-playing) Manager and coaches can now be booked or sent off....

Re: VAR and the Women's World Cup

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:32 pm
by westlondonlalala
Forget the VAR & law change bollox..

How about the most important thing you need to get right before a Football tournament - PENALTY TAKER!

Think we had 4 pens this tournament & missed 3 of them, how a CB gets left to take the pen is beyond me, her job is to stop goals not score them, wasn’t our striker on 6 tournament goals, Jesus wept let the women take the kick.

Anyway it’s a diabolical standard of football, i think I watched about an hour of the whole tournament, they wanna be paid the same as the men, Jesus.

Re: VAR and the Women's World Cup

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:42 pm
by Andy_N19
westlondonlalala wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:32 pm
Forget the VAR & law change bollox..

How about the most important thing you need to get right before a Football tournament - PENALTY TAKER!

Think we had 4 pens this tournament & missed 3 of them, how a CB gets left to take the pen is beyond me, her job is to stop goals not score them, wasn’t our striker on 6 tournament goals, Jesus wept let the women take the kick.

Anyway it’s a diabolical standard of football, i think I watched about an hour of the whole tournament, they wanna be paid the same as the men, Jesus.
You were doing so well until the 3rd sentence then you reverted to Image mode. :roll:

Re: VAR and the Women's World Cup

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:37 pm
by westlondonlalala
Andy_N19 wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:42 pm
westlondonlalala wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:32 pm
Forget the VAR & law change bollox..

How about the most important thing you need to get right before a Football tournament - PENALTY TAKER!

Think we had 4 pens this tournament & missed 3 of them, how a CB gets left to take the pen is beyond me, her job is to stop goals not score them, wasn’t our striker on 6 tournament goals, Jesus wept let the women take the kick.

Anyway it’s a diabolical standard of football, i think I watched about an hour of the whole tournament, they wanna be paid the same as the men, Jesus.
You were doing so well until the 3rd sentence then you reverted to Image mode. :roll:
The worst standard of football I’ve ever seen televised, if they played in some of the amateur sat men’s leagues in & around London they’d be hammered regularly.

The whole tournament I’ve heard from all aspects of the media don’t compare it to the men’s game enjoy it for what it is..

Then you’ve got the USA women’s team campaigning for equal pay with the men.

I’m all for women playing sport everyone deserves to participate in sport, but that standard in the World Cup was so poor, it was like watching a different sport. I couldn’t watch for more than 5 mins before turning it over.

Obviously you feel different and think they should all be paid 100k p/w like the men.

Re: VAR and the Women's World Cup

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:53 pm
by Andy_N19
Seeing as our own venerable FA (Football Association or F**k All - take your pick) banned the womens game in 1921 when at the time
they were regularly playing before crowds of 40k+ it's gonna take time for their game to recover it's former glory.
The USA team are miles ahead of any other, they look professionally athletic, the others look poor, but they are catching up and the
overall spectacle will improve; it was pretty good this time.

No, it shouldn't be equal pay... yet, simply because of numbers in all spheres, not because they are female.

Re: VAR and the Women's World Cup

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:58 pm
by westlondonlalala
Yeah not coz they are female your right (I worded that wrongly gender doesn’t come into it) just purely the product on the pitch, I guess if they were male playing like that they’d be on a park pitch paying to play not be being paid to play.

They should be grateful they get what they get playing like that.

Re: VAR and the Women's World Cup

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:20 am
by UxbridgeR
westlondonlalala wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:37 pm
The worst standard of football I’ve ever seen televised, if they played in some of the amateur sat men’s leagues in & around London they’d be hammered regularly.

The whole tournament I’ve heard from all aspects of the media don’t compare it to the men’s game enjoy it for what it is..

Then you’ve got the USA women’s team campaigning for equal pay with the men.

I’m all for women playing sport everyone deserves to participate in sport, but that standard in the World Cup was so poor, it was like watching a different sport. I couldn’t watch for more than 5 mins before turning it over.

Obviously you feel different and think they should all be paid 100k p/w like the men.
As I understand it, the campaign for equal pay is only at the national level, i.e what they are paid for representing their country by its national association. The Norwegian FA already pays their men and women equally, after the men voluntarily made a contribution to increase the remuneration pot for the women. What male players get paid for playing for their country would mostly be a pittance compared to what they get at club level, so it's not really about the money for them. Female players on the other hand can often barely make a living from the game, so it's a big deal for them.

I don't think any woman can (or does) expect to earn the same kind of money at club level as the men until there's a comparable interest in their game that drives those financial rewards. However at national level, where both are representing their country in international tournaments, it doesn't seem unreasonable that they should get the same money per match ticket sold, or the same % of the money that the team gets for qualifying for that tournament in the first place. They won't get exactly the same pay, but there's equal treatment for all.

I haven't watched a huge amount of the WWC, but from what I have seen, the standard isn't bad at all. It's slower for sure, but much less physical and cynical than the men's game, which is not necessarily a bad thing really. The viewing figures for England games have been really impressive, and it's great that it's given a prime time media platform. More power to them as far as I'm concerned.

Re: VAR and the Women's World Cup

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:16 am
by Montag
The men shouldn't be getting 100kpw upwards. No greedy barsteward should.

Re: VAR and the Women's World Cup

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:30 pm
by westlondonlalala
UxbridgeR wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:20 am
westlondonlalala wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:37 pm
The worst standard of football I’ve ever seen televised, if they played in some of the amateur sat men’s leagues in & around London they’d be hammered regularly.

The whole tournament I’ve heard from all aspects of the media don’t compare it to the men’s game enjoy it for what it is..

Then you’ve got the USA women’s team campaigning for equal pay with the men.

I’m all for women playing sport everyone deserves to participate in sport, but that standard in the World Cup was so poor, it was like watching a different sport. I couldn’t watch for more than 5 mins before turning it over.

Obviously you feel different and think they should all be paid 100k p/w like the men.
As I understand it, the campaign for equal pay is only at the national level, i.e what they are paid for representing their country by its national association. The Norwegian FA already pays their men and women equally, after the men voluntarily made a contribution to increase the remuneration pot for the women. What male players get paid for playing for their country would mostly be a pittance compared to what they get at club level, so it's not really about the money for them. Female players on the other hand can often barely make a living from the game, so it's a big deal for them.

I don't think any woman can (or does) expect to earn the same kind of money at club level as the men until there's a comparable interest in their game that drives those financial rewards. However at national level, where both are representing their country in international tournaments, it doesn't seem unreasonable that they should get the same money per match ticket sold, or the same % of the money that the team gets for qualifying for that tournament in the first place. They won't get exactly the same pay, but there's equal treatment for all.

I haven't watched a huge amount of the WWC, but from what I have seen, the standard isn't bad at all. It's slower for sure, but much less physical and cynical than the men's game, which is not necessarily a bad thing really. The viewing figures for England games have been really impressive, and it's great that it's given a prime time media platform. More power to them as far as I'm concerned.
Can’t argue with any of that well put.

I’ll end my discussion on women’s football, good luck to them but thank god the men are back in training.