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Re: Trump

Post by BiscuitRanger » Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:58 pm

Giorgio wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:10 pm
well..I don't think it is a protest against the President of the US....but specifically on the person Trump.....that is IMO one of the worst ever
guy that got 4 years in the White House....
^^^This.

Personally I'm very Pro-USA but anti just about everything that Trump and some of his narrow headed (to fit the white hoods?) s
upporters stand for.

Trump... Shut up, sit down. Sit down, shut up.
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Re: Trump

Post by Montag » Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:41 pm

For me, there have been worse than DT in the White House. Just in my lifetime: Nixon, Reagan, Bush jnr. Maybe even Clinton with his Nafta deal that damaged US industry. If you look at Trump's industrial policies you'll find he has more in common with Wedgie Benn, Michael Foot and Corbyn than with Reagan and old mother Thatcher.
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Re: Trump

Post by Esox Lucius » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:04 pm

Montag wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:41 pm
For me, there have been worse than DT in the White House. Just in my lifetime: Nixon, Reagan, Bush jnr. Maybe even Clinton with his Nafta deal that damaged US industry. If you look at Trump's industrial policies you'll find he has more in common with Wedgie Benn, Michael Foot and Corbyn than with Reagan and old mother Thatcher.
That doesn't make him any more palatable because he is part of a coterie that shouldn't be anywhere near political decision making. The fact that he has stated that he wants the NHS to be part of any Trade deal makes him an enemy of the United Kingdom.
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Re: Trump

Post by Andy_N19 » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:52 pm

Montag wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:41 pm
For me, there have been worse than DT in the White House. Just in my lifetime: Nixon, Reagan, Bush jnr. Maybe even Clinton with his Nafta deal that damaged US industry. If you look at Trump's industrial policies you'll find he has more in common with Wedgie Benn, Michael Foot and Corbyn than with Reagan and old mother Thatcher.
What about his disdain for the office of the presidency?
Intemperate language, bringing his sprogs over for the ride; cheap, childish insults,
a rudimentary grasp of economics. I mean even Nixon honourably resigned and the
Bush presidents who I didn't like now seem like gentlemen in comparison.

Check the rhetoric of Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Salazar all promising the world,
bluster, insults, tin pot veneer all of them!
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Re: Trump

Post by Giorgio » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:27 pm

Andy_N19 wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:52 pm

What about his disdain for the office of the presidency?
Intemperate language, bringing his sprogs over for the ride; cheap, childish insults,
a rudimentary grasp of economics.
..the guy is basically not fit for that role.....obviously coming from a background of cheats, lies, bribes, corruption....and what else...

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Re: Trump

Post by Montag » Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:32 am

Maybe I'm being hard on Clinton. He did an awful lot of work for peace. Is Trump fit for Office? Only time will tell. But to suggest that he is a worse President than Reagan or Bush jr, based purely on his personality is naïve. So far he has stuck to his policy commitments. Is that wrong?
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Re: Trump

Post by Esox Lucius » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:25 pm

Montag wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:32 am
Maybe I'm being hard on Clinton. He did an awful lot of work for peace. Is Trump fit for Office? Only time will tell. But to suggest that he is a worse President than Reagan or Bush jr, based purely on his personality is naïve. So far he has stuck to his policy commitments. Is that wrong?
Half baked policies reinforced by people who voted for him at rallies where anyone with a contrary view was beaten up and encouraged by Trump to do so. Reagan & Bush junior aren't even in the same game, let alone in the same league. As posted on Facebook, super callous, fragile ego, Trump you are atrocious.
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Re: Trump

Post by Montag » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:34 pm

Esox, you are trying to wind me up. Because his language offends you, you can't compare DT with Bush W and the Iraq business. Who has Trump got killed? Less people than St Obama, let alone Bush. aniwall
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Re: Trump

Post by Esox Lucius » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:29 pm

Montag wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:34 pm
Esox, you are trying to wind me up. Because his language offends you, you can't compare DT with Bush W and the Iraq business. Who has Trump got killed? Less people than St Obama, let alone Bush. aniwall
Did you read my post? I never mentioned any offensive language. If you can't see that he is the modern day equivalent of the National Socialist rabble rousers of the 1930's then you really are in denial. He denies science, he ignores the truth and is a far, far worse misogynist than Clinton ever was. He doesn't have a single redeeming quality as a human being.
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Re: Trump

Post by Lee Gib » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:02 pm

Esox Lucius wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:25 pm
Half baked policies reinforced by people who voted for him at rallies where anyone with a contrary view was beaten up and encouraged by Trump to do so...
Such is the nature of satire on the internet, but I can't quite tell whether or not you're taking the piss here.

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Re: Trump

Post by Andy_N19 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:59 pm

Lee Gib wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:02 pm
Esox Lucius wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:25 pm
Half baked policies reinforced by people who voted for him at rallies where anyone with a contrary view was beaten up and encouraged by Trump to do so...
Such is the nature of satire on the internet, but I can't quite tell whether or not you're taking the piss here.
well if you're doubting the sincerety of what Esox is saying, this pic was taken after that rally in Charlottesville.
Sobering scene eh...
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Re: Trump

Post by willesdenr » Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:44 pm

Interesting Opinion from Bloomberg, not that I watch their TV channel.

"No wonder the Trump deal antennae (or at least those of his chief trade negotiator Robert Lighthizer) are going wild. Britain’s top trade allegiance is for sale and its domestic politics are being dramatically realigned. The U.S. president is emotionally attached to the populist, anti-establishment message of Brexit. But his team also senses a bargain and an unmissable opportunity here. The president is promising a “very large trade deal” to whichever leader can deliver Brexit.

The U.K.’s rupture from Europe holds many attractions from a Trumpian worldview. First, it means luring the U.K. away from the EU system of trade rules and regulations and toward the U.S. one. Second, the absence of Britain will weaken the EU’s geopolitical heft. That’s useful while Trump is waging a tariff war and seeking to contain China and Iran. The bonus: It leaves the Brits more dependent on America’s friendship and goodwill than ever before.

While trade-opening deals should generally be seen as a good thing – and Britain and America are strong trading partners historically – a little realism here is warranted from London. America’s interests are unsentimental. In any U.K.-U.S. deal, it will be primarily the British side that does the bending, substituting one set of rules (the EU’s) for another (the U.S.’s). This was clear from the long and comprehensive list of U.S. trade objectives published in March.

The actual tariff benefits from any free-trade deal with the U.S. would be modest. Duties on imports are already quite low at less than 3% on average, although the EU sets substantially higher tariffs for agriculture and some manufactured products like cars. The U.K. would be expected to take in more U.S. agricultural imports at a time when Britain’s farming sector is losing its EU subsidies, and accept U.S. regulations for plant and animal products, which would put it in conflict with European regulations.

In services, which make up more than 80% of the U.K. economy and 45% of its exports, trade deals don’t tend to cover much ground because barriers largely take the form of regulations and governments prefer to retain the prerogative to change those at will. But the U.S. objectives seek to ensure that the U.K. adopts extensive rules to prohibit “discrimination against foreign services suppliers,” and adopts “rules mirroring existing U.S. government procurement practices,” while keeping in place domestic preferential purchasing programs such as “Buy America” requirements.

There are other factors limiting Britain’s upside here. The interests of individual U.S. states will play a large role too; whatever Trump thinks he can give, Congress will have a say. And, as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi made clear on a recent British tour, any Brexit that ran roughshod over the interests of Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement would result in Congress blocking any trade deal.

An agreement between the U.S. (a nearly $20 trillion economy) and the U.K. (less than $3 trillion) will take time to negotiate too, although the Brits will be under enormous pressure to make concessions, which might speed things along.

Those Brexiters desperate to quit the EU because of its many restrictions and regulations might be surprised at just how demanding a partner the U.S. will be. “The U.S. number one goal for a U.K. trade deal is to move us away from the EU rule set towards the U.S. one,” tweeted David Henig, a former U.K. trade negotiator who worked on the failed Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) talks between the U.S. and the EU. Even the U.K.’s hallowed National Health Service is seen as fair game, as U.S. Ambassador Woody Johnson made clear in an interview on Sunday, with American drugmaking giants keen to challenge its pricing decisions.

America is a friend and ally, of course. There’s nothing inherently wrong with the U.K. government and crown hosting the president in honor of that longstanding and important relationship. But any trade arrangements struck by Britain with the U.S. will be one-sided. No wonder Trump loves Brexit."

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Re: Trump

Post by dm » Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:18 am

Thanks for posting that, willesdenr. Interesting stuff indeed, particularly given where it comes from.

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Re: Trump

Post by Lee Gib » Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:04 am

Andy_N19 wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:59 pm
Lee Gib wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:02 pm
Esox Lucius wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:25 pm
Half baked policies reinforced by people who voted for him at rallies where anyone with a contrary view was beaten up and encouraged by Trump to do so...
Such is the nature of satire on the internet, but I can't quite tell whether or not you're taking the piss here.
well if you're doubting the sincerety of what Esox is saying, this pic was taken after that rally in Charlottesville.
Sobering scene eh...
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Well how many pictures are can you find of violence against old men just for wearing MAGA hats or Brexit party badges? The suggestion that violence is only perpetuated by Trump fans or those on the right is beyond stupid.

Still, just call them all nazis and it's all justified eh.

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Re: Trump

Post by Montag » Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:10 am

There is an argument that Corbyn has more in common with Adolf than Trump does. My personal experience in British politics, which is not insignificant, is that left wing extremists are far more likely to resort to aggression, intimidation and violence than right wingers.
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