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Re: General Election

Post by Hunter S Thompson » Mon May 15, 2017 8:06 pm

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If you can dig up the video of her making the announcement - watch her lips. She says Ask for...... The statutory right with a caveat to look after a relative is tacked on later. If you need the time off for anything else such as a pregnancy you have the right to ask your employer.
That's if you believe someone who said, time and time again, there would be no election until 2020. Best of luck with that.
You have to ask surely or do you expect every company to employ somebody every morning to find out if anybody wants leave.
And if the employer says no, what have you got ?
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Re: General Election

Post by QPR_John » Mon May 15, 2017 9:00 pm

Hunter S Thompson wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 8:06 pm
QPR_John wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 7:13 pm
Hunter S Thompson wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 6:48 pm
If you can dig up the video of her making the announcement - watch her lips. She says Ask for...... The statutory right with a caveat to look after a relative is tacked on later. If you need the time off for anything else such as a pregnancy you have the right to ask your employer.
That's if you believe someone who said, time and time again, there would be no election until 2020. Best of luck with that.
You have to ask surely or do you expect every company to employ somebody every morning to find out if anybody wants leave.
And if the employer says no, what have you got ?
But the employer will not say no if there is a statutory right.

I do not understand your point. Are you saying May is contemplating giving employees the right to ask for leave for any reason but they have that right anyway and the employer has the right to say no. So clearly May did not mean that and was referring to leave to look after a sic k relative which will be a right that the employer cannot refuse. I really am trying to understand your position but with each reply I am finding it harder.

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Re: General Election

Post by SheepRanger » Mon May 15, 2017 9:19 pm

Of course employers will be forced to allow this leave
The pure aim of it is to ensure there is care in the community to save the NHS having to deal with the problem. Its a good thing to do but I do feel sorry for the army of carers out there who may not be trained to deal with very complex issues.

Although I would say that most large firms already offer this on a descretionary basis. Firm dont like employees leaving that they invested a lot of cash on. There are many reasons why career breaks can be taken.

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Re: General Election

Post by Hunter S Thompson » Mon May 15, 2017 9:40 pm

QPR_John wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 9:00 pm
Hunter S Thompson wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 8:06 pm
QPR_John wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 7:13 pm


You have to ask surely or do you expect every company to employ somebody every morning to find out if anybody wants leave.
And if the employer says no, what have you got ?
But the employer will not say no if there is a statutory right.

I do not understand your point. Are you saying May is contemplating giving employees the right to ask for leave for any reason but they have that right anyway and the employer has the right to say no. So clearly May did not mean that and was referring to leave to look after a sic k relative which will be a right that the employer cannot refuse. I really am trying to understand your position but with each reply I am finding it harder.
You're right, you don't understand.
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Re: General Election

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Re: General Election

Post by Don » Tue May 16, 2017 7:22 am

SheepRanger wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 7:26 pm
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I believe you missed the point entirely.
Hes a real person who speaks to real people and everyone else are robots. Therefore be careful what you wish for.
He's also the sort of earnest bloke whom you avoid in the pub. If cornered, I could chat to him about cricket.
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Re: General Election

Post by Don » Tue May 16, 2017 7:25 am

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Tony Blair was a fresh-faced PM at 43. After ten years in the job, he looked more like 60. The Presidency took its toll on a youngish and fit Obama. Mrs May will be 65 when the next election is due; Jezza will be 72. It's a lot to ask of either of them
Not like you to be ageist Don...
You missed the winky emoticon. I'm very ageist. I'd have the vote taken away at seventy. But now I'm a rampant Tory, I'm rethinking that one.
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Re: General Election

Post by 222gers » Tue May 16, 2017 7:35 am

Don wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 7:22 am
SheepRanger wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 7:26 pm
Esox Lucius wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 5:29 pm
I believe you missed the point entirely.
Hes a real person who speaks to real people and everyone else are robots. Therefore be careful what you wish for.
He's also the sort of earnest bloke whom you avoid in the pub. If cornered, I could chat to him about cricket.
I doubt if you'd see him in a pub.....apparently a life long TT. If I could have an MP to meet in a pub, I'd have Ken Clarke, we could have a chat about jazz.

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Re: General Election

Post by SheepRanger » Tue May 16, 2017 9:05 am

222gers wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 7:35 am
Don wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 7:22 am
SheepRanger wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 7:26 pm


Hes a real person who speaks to real people and everyone else are robots. Therefore be careful what you wish for.
He's also the sort of earnest bloke whom you avoid in the pub. If cornered, I could chat to him about cricket.
I doubt if you'd see him in a pub.....apparently a life long TT. If I could have an MP to meet in a pub, I'd have Ken Clarke, we could have a chat about jazz.
If we're talking pints, it has to be with two Jags

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Re: General Election

Post by 222gers » Tue May 16, 2017 11:35 am

SheepRanger wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 9:05 am
222gers wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 7:35 am
Don wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 7:22 am


He's also the sort of earnest bloke whom you avoid in the pub. If cornered, I could chat to him about cricket.
I doubt if you'd see him in a pub.....apparently a life long TT. If I could have an MP to meet in a pub, I'd have Ken Clarke, we could have a chat about jazz.
If we're talking pints, it has to be with two Jags
Nice to see that pub-going cuts across political divides. :wink:

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Re: General Election

Post by SheepRanger » Tue May 16, 2017 1:56 pm

222gers wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 11:35 am
SheepRanger wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 9:05 am
222gers wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 7:35 am


I doubt if you'd see him in a pub.....apparently a life long TT. If I could have an MP to meet in a pub, I'd have Ken Clarke, we could have a chat about jazz.
If we're talking pints, it has to be with two Jags
Nice to see that pub-going cuts across political divides. :wink:
Oh yes! I'm sure Prescott has a few stories to tell..!
Can you image a pint with John Major and getting to hear all the Edwina details after he's sunk the seventh? Yuk

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Re: General Election

Post by dm » Tue May 16, 2017 2:45 pm

SheepRanger wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 1:56 pm
222gers wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 11:35 am
SheepRanger wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 9:05 am


If we're talking pints, it has to be with two Jags
Nice to see that pub-going cuts across political divides. :wink:
Oh yes! I'm sure Prescott has a few stories to tell..!
Can you image a pint with John Major and getting to hear all the Edwina details after he's sunk the seventh? Yuk
Nah, it would be more likely to be about his love of garden peas.

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Re: General Election

Post by Don » Wed May 17, 2017 9:24 am

dm wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 2:45 pm
SheepRanger wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 1:56 pm
222gers wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 11:35 am


Nice to see that pub-going cuts across political divides. :wink:
Oh yes! I'm sure Prescott has a few stories to tell..!
Can you image a pint with John Major and getting to hear all the Edwina details after he's sunk the seventh? Yuk
Nah, it would be more likely to be about his love of garden peas.
I'd talk to him about his time as a Fulham Taverner a few years before mine. And the MCC and cricket in general.

A round with Farage, Skinner and BoJo could be fun.
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Re: General Election

Post by SheepRanger » Wed May 17, 2017 11:08 am

Don wrote:
Wed May 17, 2017 9:24 am
dm wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 2:45 pm
SheepRanger wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 1:56 pm


Oh yes! I'm sure Prescott has a few stories to tell..!
Can you image a pint with John Major and getting to hear all the Edwina details after he's sunk the seventh? Yuk
Nah, it would be more likely to be about his love of garden peas.
I'd talk to him about his time as a Fulham Taverner a few years before mine. And the MCC and cricket in general.

A round with Farage, Skinner and BoJo could be fun.
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Re: General Election

Post by Damien » Wed May 17, 2017 4:09 pm

Esox Lucius wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 2:34 pm
An insight into how the perceptions are being skewed. Author unknown.
"I don't think Corbyn's the best leader ever. I appreciate that he's not the best at appealing to a lot of demographics. he's crap with soundbites; not good at speaking straight to camera. Better in real situations with real people. I appreciate that he's not got a great deal of, what would you call it, zing. I don't agree with him on everything by any means.
Still, you know something I know? If Labour lose the election, Jeremy Corbyn will probably go back to being a local MP. He'll carry on holding speakers up for people at meetings, and helping people with their chairs, and thanking people for making the sandwiches. He'll carry on having talks and doing constituency surgeries and attending debates and asking questions and campaigning on various issues and staying behind to carry on talking about stuff with ordinary people after the event's finished. If he weren't the leader now, he'd be campaigning on behalf of the party. He'd be standing at the back helping.
He's not going to swan off to a career of after-dinner speaking and corporate events and non-executive directorships and consultancies. He's not going to edit the Evening Standard. It's not his personal ambition that's brought him here.
he wasn't ever that keen on being a leader. The only reason he stood when he did was that, to paraphrase another Labour front-bencher, every other remaining left-wing MP in the party had already stood as the token socialist candidate in a previous leadership election, and it was basically his turn.
And here's the thing: his apparent lack of charisma notwithstanding (and what is this charisma that apparently Tim Farron and Theresa May possess? It's like nothing I've ever seen described using that term before), he's the exact opposite of what everyone seems to agree they're sick of in politicians. The meaningless soundbites and stock phrases and glib dog-whistle oversimplifications don't sit naturally with him. He's better at sitting down calmly and talking about things like a grown-up. He's visibly irritated when interviewers push him to answer stupid, meaningless or leading questions, and, to me, that irritation seems remarkably restrained considering that I'd probably be unable to put up with such bollocks without flying into an expletive-laden rant. He reminds me of a Scandinavian politician, and that's nothing but a compliment. Politicians aren't supposed to be evangelists or salespeople; they're supposed to be people of substance, not just a mass of superficially appealing tics, right? Right?
In short, he's a real human person, like you get in real life, not whatever kind of thing most politicians are where you just cannot imagine them existing in any normal situation alongside real people without getting punched in the face. I've seen people like him, working in various capacities, usually doing something socially responsible, sometimes voluntary. They help. They support. They sympathise. They don't usually get to the top of organisations because they're not naturally competitive. And here he is, in a position he probably never expected to be in, and his expression is, for me, the right one: he's grim; a touch uncertain; perhaps somewhat daunted. Quite right too. Anyone who's not daunted by the prospect of being Prime Minister shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the job. I want whoever leads the country to feel the responsibility as keenly as possible. The Prime Minister is the servant of millions of masters, not the master of millions of servants, as Theresa May seems to think she is. It's a horrible job, but if nobody else is going to do it, he'll have to. Because someone's got to. You can't just stand there and do nothing. You have to try to help; to do what you can. That's what he's like. And if the election's lost as the last two were, he'll go back to helping in whatever other ways are available. And if he loses his seat (which he won't), he'll go and try to help somewhere else.
The fact that this man is considered unelectable when the alternatives are as they are is itself an indictment of our society. The UK needs to be careful who they shake hands with."
Outstanding. Thanks for that Esox. We may not always agree on all things QPR(or ever :wink:)... but on the things that really matter we are in total agreement.

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