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Re: General Election

Post by Hunter S Thompson » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:41 pm

This election has nothing to do with Brexit. It's all about Mrs. Mayhem getting Carte Blanche to privatise the NHS.
The reason it's being brought forward so suddenly is that she had a preview of the projections for the economy in 2020.
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Re: General Election

Post by SheepRanger » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:45 pm

Hunter S Thompson wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:36 pm
SheepRanger wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:30 pm
Its being suggested that many Labour voters will vote Tory to get rid of Corbyn.
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Well that's people are saying through the Jeremy Vine Radio 2 show this afternoon.

They have been running a piece on tactical voting and Ginna Miller started the show, but I had to go to a meeting for 45mins. They covered some examples of the above. Ginna is about to launch her website on voting tactics when the manifestos get launched in a few days.

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Re: General Election

Post by SheepRanger » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:51 pm

Hunter S Thompson wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:41 pm
This election has nothing to do with Brexit. It's all about Mrs. Mayhem getting Carte Blanche to privatise the NHS.
The reason it's being brought forward so suddenly is that she had a preview of the projections for the economy in 2020.
A guess on your part?

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Re: General Election

Post by DAVEf » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:05 pm

People (those who don't understand how a democratic parliamentary system works) wil always moan that she wasn't elected to run the country. She was (but that's another matter). By winning an election as Tory leader she will destroy that argument and strengthen her own mandate to deal with Brexit.

She might also kill off the Labor party in its current form --- Corbyn supporters will make a lot of noise but the majority of the "people" will remain silent and just vote as they have been doing in recent years. The Libdems are dead in the water thanks to Clegg and have a leader who is another typical Liberal leader --- happy (very happy?) to get paid in a cushy job where he will never actually have to do anything and little is expected from him anyway. And the Greens, well intentioned as some are, have too many perceived "loonies".

The only people who really REALLY care are the news departments at BBC and ITV. They genuinely seem to believe people care more about politics, elections and "proper" news over sport, entertainment and the weather news when all the evidence suggests otherwise.

It's a shame she couldn't just call an on-line election for next Monday and have the results in and sorted by Tuesday. Maybe it's something the young wll one day be lucky enough to benefit from.
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Re: General Election

Post by Esox Lucius » Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:53 pm

SheepRanger wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:30 pm
Its being suggested that many Labour voters will vote Tory to get rid of Corbyn.
By 4 O clock this afternoon 62% of people who responded to a Guardian online poll wanted Corbyn to be PM. There is a definite groundswell of support for him which is solidly ignored by the media, both written & televisual. Most of those traditional Labour supporters who don't want Corbyn are leaning towards UKIP, not the Tories.
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Re: General Election

Post by Esox Lucius » Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:55 pm

Make June the end of May. 8)
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Re: General Election

Post by SheepRanger » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:28 pm

Esox Lucius wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:53 pm
SheepRanger wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:30 pm
Its being suggested that many Labour voters will vote Tory to get rid of Corbyn.
By 4 O clock this afternoon 62% of people who responded to a Guardian online poll wanted Corbyn to be PM. There is a definite groundswell of support for him which is solidly ignored by the media, both written & televisual. Most of those traditional Labour supporters who don't want Corbyn are leaning towards UKIP, not the Tories.
Interesting poll for sure.

However, if Le Penn wins the French election on the 7th May there won't be an EU to leave as it will naturally implode. We'll be back to discussing benefit caps etc

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Re: General Election

Post by Lee Gib » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:31 pm

Esox Lucius wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:53 pm
SheepRanger wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:30 pm
Its being suggested that many Labour voters will vote Tory to get rid of Corbyn.
By 4 O clock this afternoon 62% of people who responded to a Guardian online poll wanted Corbyn to be PM. There is a definite groundswell of support for him which is solidly ignored by the media, both written & televisual. Most of those traditional Labour supporters who don't want Corbyn are leaning towards UKIP, not the Tories.
Well there's a surprise. :D

See if you can get those results from anything other than a very left leaning rag.
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Re: General Election

Post by dm » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:45 pm

Lee Gib wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:31 pm
Esox Lucius wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:53 pm
SheepRanger wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:30 pm
Its being suggested that many Labour voters will vote Tory to get rid of Corbyn.
By 4 O clock this afternoon 62% of people who responded to a Guardian online poll wanted Corbyn to be PM. There is a definite groundswell of support for him which is solidly ignored by the media, both written & televisual. Most of those traditional Labour supporters who don't want Corbyn are leaning towards UKIP, not the Tories.
Well there's a surprise. :D

See if you can get those results from anything other than a very left leaning rag.
Lee, come on, I know what you're saying but the Guardian is just not a "very left leaning rag"! And that's a comment about it being 'very left leaning' not a 'rag'!!

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Re: General Election

Post by BiscuitRanger » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:26 pm

Esox Lucius wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:53 pm
SheepRanger wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:30 pm
Its being suggested that many Labour voters will vote Tory to get rid of Corbyn.
By 4 O clock this afternoon 62% of people who responded to a Guardian online poll wanted Corbyn to be PM. There is a definite groundswell of support for him which is solidly ignored by the media, both written & televisual. Most of those traditional Labour supporters who don't want Corbyn are leaning towards UKIP, not the Tories.
Consider the demographic(and source)! If there ain't tits and popularlistic sound bits involved how many really care.
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Re: General Election

Post by Giorgio » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:33 pm

Esox Lucius wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:55 pm
Make June the end of May. 8)
....and vote Ollie......!! :mrgreen:

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Re: General Election

Post by Lee Gib » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:19 pm

dm wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:45 pm
Lee Gib wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:31 pm
Esox Lucius wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:53 pm

By 4 O clock this afternoon 62% of people who responded to a Guardian online poll wanted Corbyn to be PM. There is a definite groundswell of support for him which is solidly ignored by the media, both written & televisual. Most of those traditional Labour supporters who don't want Corbyn are leaning towards UKIP, not the Tories.
Well there's a surprise. :D

See if you can get those results from anything other than a very left leaning rag.
Lee, come on, I know what you're saying but the Guardian is just not a "very left leaning rag"! And that's a comment about it being 'very left leaning' not a 'rag'!!
You don't think the guardian is a lefty paper? I thought everyone knew that. I don't really have a problem with that though tbh. I like the fact that they express an opinion that is different to all the others, even though I don't often agree with it.
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Re: General Election

Post by DAVEf » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:31 pm

Esox Lucius wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:53 pm
SheepRanger wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:30 pm
Its being suggested that many Labour voters will vote Tory to get rid of Corbyn.
By 4 O clock this afternoon 62% of people who responded to a Guardian online poll wanted Corbyn to be PM. There is a definite groundswell of support for him which is solidly ignored by the media, both written & televisual. Most of those traditional Labour supporters who don't want Corbyn are leaning towards UKIP, not the Tories.

Normal people don't read the Guardian (especially on-line) and so none would be doing an on-line poll.

And that could be safely said to be highly likely to give a skewed result.
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Re: General Election

Post by BiscuitRanger » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:35 am

DAVEf wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:31 pm
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Normal people don't read the Guardian (especially on-line) and so none would be doing an on-line poll.

And that could be safely said to be highly likely to give a skewed result.
Is that in a normal for Norfolk kind of sense?
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Re: General Election

Post by DAVEf » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:25 am

BiscuitRanger wrote:
Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:35 am
DAVEf wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:31 pm
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Normal people don't read the Guardian (especially on-line) and so none would be doing an on-line poll.

And that could be safely said to be highly likely to give a skewed result.
Is that in a normal for Norfolk kind of sense?
Probably normal for anywhere outside our mighty capital.

And then Guardian-reading is a past-time predominantly indulged in only by a certain miniority of Londoners.

The best way to judge would be to offer 20/1 against Labour coming out ahead in a General Election and see how many folk would risk their beer money. Or in the case of Guardian readers, red wine an/or real ale money.
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