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Warren Farm

Post by dm » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:14 pm

An update here: https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footba ... 19296.html

Work to begin next month. No comment on when it will be ready though. Perhaps in time for preseason 2021/22?

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Re: Warren Farm

Post by deadendjob » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:42 pm

That's probably the best piece of news on years.
Good to finally have it underway after all the bullshit the club had to go do through
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Post by SM » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:17 pm

This is superb news.

For all the frustrations over FFP, there is significant money going into this project, which does show long-term commitment from the owners.

Hopefully just the new ground to sort now! aniwall
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Re: Warren Farm

Post by stainesranger » Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:53 pm

Why do we need a new ground? We can’t fill this one.

If it’s about non-football events why don’t we diversify and build a convention centre rather than having an empty football stadium week in week out.

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Post by Satch » Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:57 pm

stainesranger wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:53 pm
Why do we need a new ground? We can’t fill this one.

If it’s about non-football events why don’t we diversify and build a convention centre rather than having an empty football stadium week in week out.
That definitely sounds most efficient.

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Post by 222gers » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:18 pm

stainesranger wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:53 pm
Why do we need a new ground? We can’t fill this one.

If it’s about non-football events why don’t we diversify and build a convention centre rather than having an empty football stadium week in week out.
I wonder if any income from events held away from Loftus Rd would be usable for FFP purposes.

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Re: Warren Farm

Post by LanCat » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:29 pm

stainesranger wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:53 pm
Why do we need a new ground? We can’t fill this one.

If it’s about non-football events why don’t we diversify and build a convention centre rather than having an empty football stadium week in week out.
Twice the business rates, twice the services, twice the staffing, twice the maintenance. Doesn't help the stadium and team pay their way. Using a stadium 25-30 days a year is not sustainable.

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Post by ZENITH R » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:02 pm

stainesranger wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:53 pm
Why do we need a new ground? We can’t fill this one.

If it’s about non-football events why don’t we diversify and build a convention centre rather than having an empty football stadium week in week out.

Someone hasn't been paying attention.
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Post by Montag » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:15 pm

LanCat wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:29 pm
stainesranger wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:53 pm
Why do we need a new ground? We can’t fill this one.

If it’s about non-football events why don’t we diversify and build a convention centre rather than having an empty football stadium week in week out.
Twice the business rates, twice the services, twice the staffing, twice the maintenance. Doesn't help the stadium and team pay their way. Using a stadium 25-30 days a year is not sustainable.
Sounds very Thatcherite. Must be good then.
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Re: Warren Farm

Post by stainesranger » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:43 pm

Oh yes, sorry not paying attention. Obviously we should follow the Coventry City model. What was i thinking?

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Post by Esox Lucius » Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:25 am

stainesranger wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:43 pm
Oh yes, sorry not paying attention. Obviously we should follow the Coventry City model. What was i thinking?
you weren't.
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Re: Warren Farm

Post by ZENITH R » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:10 am

stainesranger wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:43 pm
Oh yes, sorry not paying attention. Obviously we should follow the Coventry City model. What was i thinking?
Or the successful Hull, Southampton, Northampton, Brighton, Cardiff, Huddersfield, Leicester, Manchester City, Wigan, Swansea, Stoke, Rotherham, Reading, Middlesbrough, Derby, MK Dons, Scunthorpe, Sunderland or Burton models. To name just a few. Currently Luton and Brentford are in the process of building new grounds, and Everton and Liverpool are considering it.

Coventry and Bolton are a mess for specific reasons. The decision to move from out dated dilapidated stadiums to modern multi use stadia is not one of them. There are plenty of examples (see above) of successful moves which have seen the club involved flourish.

But lets not dwell on the positives.

There are a lot of things that can go wrong in a massive move like this - no different to you or I moving house. But potentially, if we get it right ... it could be immense.
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Re: Warren Farm

Post by stainesranger » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:30 am

It’s far from clear that a new stadium is a panacea. But if anyone disagrees they’re either thick or not paying attention.

It seems to me that success on the pitch and player sales are the key to making profit, not whether or not you’re in a new stadium. Leaving aside the big PL teams (because they’re coining it because they’re in the PL) it’s far from clear that new stadiums have helped the clubs listed above.

Taking the football league clubs in turn:

Hull:

In profit but only due to player sales and parachute payments. An obvious concern is falling attendances in their big empty stadium. Also, £60m in debt.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.hull ... 999146.amp

Sunderland:

Financial mess: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/rokerrep ... be-worried

Northampton:

A farce: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc. ... e-36342097

Wigan:

Loss making in an empty stadium:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc. ... l/47130248

Swansea:

Losing money despite parachute payments:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc. ... l/46924899

Stoke City:

Posted a hefty recent loss:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.stok ... 238509.amp

Rotherham:

Loss making:

http://www.rothbiz.co.uk/2017/03/news-5 ... r.html?m=1

Reading:

£54m in debt

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.inyo ... eason/amp/

Derby:

Derby’s operating loss – its revenues minus its costs, without adding back exceptional gains and losses such as the stadium and player sales, was monumental: £30.9million

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.derb ... 735696.amp

Boro:

Multi million pound losses:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.gaze ... 851494.amp

MK dons:

4th tier of English football

Scunthorpe:

League 1 and loss making:

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/new ... june-2018/

Rotherham:

Bucked the trend with a modest profit of £500k

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Re: Warren Farm

Post by ZENITH R » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:54 am

stainesranger wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:30 am
It’s far from clear that a new stadium is a panacea. But if anyone disagrees they’re either thick or not paying attention.

It seems to me that success on the pitch and player sales are the key to making profit, not whether or not you’re in a new stadium. Leaving aside the big PL teams (because they’re coining it because they’re in the PL) it’s far from clear that new stadiums have helped the clubs listed above.

Taking the football league clubs in turn:

Hull:

In profit but only due to player sales and parachute payments. An obvious concern is falling attendances in their big empty stadium. Also, £60m in debt.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.hull ... 999146.amp

Sunderland:

Financial mess: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/rokerrep ... be-worried

Northampton:

A farce: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc. ... e-36342097

Wigan:

Loss making in an empty stadium:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc. ... l/47130248

Swansea:

Losing money despite parachute payments:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc. ... l/46924899

Stoke City:

Posted a hefty recent loss:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.stok ... 238509.amp

Rotherham:

Loss making:

http://www.rothbiz.co.uk/2017/03/news-5 ... r.html?m=1

Reading:

£54m in debt

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.inyo ... eason/amp/

Derby:

Derby’s operating loss – its revenues minus its costs, without adding back exceptional gains and losses such as the stadium and player sales, was monumental: £30.9million

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.derb ... 735696.amp

Boro:

Multi million pound losses:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.gaze ... 851494.amp

MK dons:

4th tier of English football

Scunthorpe:

League 1 and loss making:

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/new ... june-2018/

Rotherham:

Bucked the trend with a modest profit of £500k

Which all goes to show ... if you want to make money from a business - don't get into football.

If a football club is going to spend X million pounds on a player, and then pay him X thousand pounds a week it stands to reason, that will wipe out most if not all of the revenue generated by 'other means'. You are correct that only being successful on the pitch will generate the sort of income that will make a football club anywhere near profitable. Being in the Premier League brings lots of money with it, and it stands to reason a sell out crowd when one of the big boys come to play will generate a lot more than playing Burton on a Wednesday in January.

Domestically, there are close to 100 football clubs in the league (including the Premier League) and only 7 domestic trophies to play for - it stands to reason some (the majority) are going to miss out. Even the sweetner of a play off place still means more clubs will not win something than will.

Anyway, the people running the club (who should know) are saying that staying at Loftus Road long to medium term is not sustainable. So, I struggle to see why you have a problem with that concept.
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Re: Warren Farm

Post by stainesranger » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:13 am

Given the way the club has been run by the owners I think a little scepticism is probably healthy.

The problem I have with it is that I’m not convinced it’s definitely going to benefit the club and there’s an absence of proper debate around it and a willingness to accept as fact the argument that we have to do it.

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